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re: Now its official Putin skips peace talks in Istanbul....the one's he himself proposed -
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:11 am to SDVTiger
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:11 am to SDVTiger
At this point its like a pro wrestling match. Russia is beating the shat out of some hapless soul (ukranians), Trump is standing over them telling Russia to stop beating him and telling the poor hapless fella to tap out......while the hapless fella looks in the corner at his midget manager (zelensky) who is yelling at him to not give up....while he steals the poor hapless fella's purse money.
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:11 am to Eurocat
Eh. Don't really blame him if he skips. He's pretty much the most wanted man in the western world. Wouldn't surprise me if there's an attempt on his life if he personally goes.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:13 am to trinidadtiger
Perfect summary. The Zelensky lovers like Kiwitard and powerbottom are just very very low iq posters
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:15 am to Eurocat
Both idiots in Turkey, at the same time?
Lite the fuse.
Lite the fuse.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:21 am to Eurocat
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Now its official Putin skips peace talks in Istanbul....the one's he himself proposed -
Well here is, again, the bottom line here. Russia has Ukraine over a barrel if there are no actual EU troops that will enter Ukraine and help.
Full stop.
If the terms are to relinquish the land currently in Russian possession and not join NATO… his presence isn’t even needed.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:22 am to Eurocat
quote:I know why he's doing it. But Zelenskyy, in making this play, has managed to shift some PR. Especially with Trump stating a willingness to also attend, Putin's absence is a very bad look.
Now its official Putin skips peace talks in Istanbul....
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:28 am to NC_Tigah
would have been cool to see a hostile takeover between putin and zelensky the wwe way.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 7:29 am
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:31 am to tigeraddict
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There has to be some mechanism to prevent any peace deal from becoming just a pause and hostilities starting again in a few years once Russia consolidates and reorginizes in lost military eq/manpower.
I don't think that's likely because Russia will have what they wanted; no NATO membership for Ukraine and Russian control of Crimea and the adjacent territory. But, there is a mechanism for Europe and Ukraine to prevent recurrence in a few years. They should build up their own militaries and manpower to use in future wars that involve Ukraine. If they truly feel threatened, a strong military is a good deterrent.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 7:36 am
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:34 am to Eurocat
Putin is a lying pos? You gotta be kidding me.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:35 am to ClientNumber9
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Russia doesn't get to decide who joins NATO. frick that.
Correct. NATO does. And frick Ukraine.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:45 am to the808bass
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Correct. NATO does. And frick Ukraine.
Incorrect. The US will decide who joins NATO. No one else.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:55 am to trinidadtiger
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Or it continues til he has no country. Its pretty simple.
This is where your logic breaks down. In the absence of some guarantee of sovereignty for the remainder of Ukraine there is a will to continue fighting, and the coalition with the will is easily strong enough to keep Russia at bay. It includes the Trump Administration.
Ukraine is not the only combatant in awful shape, so is Russia, which is being forced further into an emasculating alliance with China. There will be guarantees is my prediction.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:56 am to wdhalgren
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I don't think that's likely because Russia will have what they wanted; no NATO membership for Ukraine and Russian control of Crimea and the adjacent territory.
I don’t think that’s all Russia wants. I mean Putin has said it numerous times and Trump has repeated it as well, even recently, they want all of Ukraine. All this other NATO stuff, Ukraine killing Russian people in mass, etc. is just an excuse and propaganda, so Russia can carry out what Russia wants, which is absorbing and getting all of Ukraine back under its sphere. It’s really not that hard to fathom. That’s why Putin isn’t attending these peace talks, keeps bluffing, and etc, because he’s trying to buy time. Vladimir Putin wants this and is ok with all of this, and that is just not acceptable in today’s world, by anyone.
So no, if all of Ukraine isn’t back under the influence of Russia, this thing will only start back up again later on down the road. And it’ll probably be even worse and more consequential the second time around.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:02 am to rooster108bm
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:07 am to texas tortilla
quote:Right. After Zelenskyy's Oval Office fit-pitching shitshow, it would have been an interesting event. But I strongly suspect Putin is waiting to get all Ukrainian troops off of Russian soil before commencing w/ a ceasefire or serious peacetalks.
would have been cool to see a hostile takeover between putin and zelensky the wwe way.
The problem for Ukraine is, as bad as things are now, Lavrov is absolutely correct. The longer this goes, the smaller Ukraine gets. Zelenskyy's fit-pitching diatribes and invectives tossed at Putin do Ukraine absolutely no good.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:08 am to Eurocat
Putin lies, news at 11.
Zelensky is full of it as well.
Why the hell are we involved?
We all work our arse off to provide for our families and our government sends billions to a country that 99% of Americans could not locate on a map.
Zelensky is full of it as well.
Why the hell are we involved?
We all work our arse off to provide for our families and our government sends billions to a country that 99% of Americans could not locate on a map.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:25 am to Eurocat
Here’s my theory:
Trump has kowtowed to Putin and rolled out the red carpet for him since he was inaugurated. He’s given him every excuse to come to the table.
Now that Putin has refused to even show up to the summit, Trump will use this as an excuse to start letting Ukraine use US weapons to strike into Moscow. I think this would be completely justified at this point.
Besides, we now have a pretty big economic interest in Ukraine so we aren’t going anywhere for the next 75 years.
Trump has kowtowed to Putin and rolled out the red carpet for him since he was inaugurated. He’s given him every excuse to come to the table.
Now that Putin has refused to even show up to the summit, Trump will use this as an excuse to start letting Ukraine use US weapons to strike into Moscow. I think this would be completely justified at this point.
Besides, we now have a pretty big economic interest in Ukraine so we aren’t going anywhere for the next 75 years.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:30 am to CleverUserName
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Well here is, again, the bottom line here. Russia has Ukraine over a barrel if there are no actual EU troops that will enter Ukraine and help. Full stop. If the terms are to relinquish the land currently in Russian possession and not join NATO… his presence isn’t even needed.
No shite - larger armies have the advantage over smaller armies. But taking this attitude doesn’t make the world a safer place.
Nuclear power countries have bigger threats to make then non nuclear powers.
The US and Russia convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes in exchange for promise of sovereignty.
Now the message is - forget about promises, get your nukes or you will become a target.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:32 am to Eurocat
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Putin on Sunday proposed direct negotiations with Ukraine in Istanbul and Zelenskiy had said he would be waiting for the Kremlin leader.
Direct negotiations, doesn't mean president to president. Did we do that with China over trade this weekend?
And why are supporting the cia's little b*tch?
Posted on 5/15/25 at 8:34 am to sta4ever
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I don’t think that’s all Russia wants. I mean Putin has said it numerous times and Trump has repeated it as well, even recently, they want all of Ukraine. All this other NATO stuff, Ukraine killing Russian people in mass, etc. is just an excuse and propaganda, so Russia can carry out what Russia wants, which is absorbing and getting all of Ukraine back under its sphere. It’s really not that hard to fathom. That’s why Putin isn’t attending these peace talks, keeps bluffing, and etc, because he’s trying to buy time. Vladimir Putin wants this and is ok with all of this, and that is just not acceptable in today’s world, by anyone. So no, if all of Ukraine isn’t back under the influence of Russia, this thing will only start back up again later on down the road. And it’ll probably be even worse and more consequential the second time around.
Yep. Been saying this for months.
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