re: Now its official Putin skips peace talks in Istanbul....the one's he himself proposed -

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Tends to happen when you start unnecessary wars

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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm simply pointing out the obvious to those shocked by his reluctance to appear in person

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The US will decide who joins NATO. No one else.

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Every member has the exact same authority on that front. As Hungary and Turkey just proved by extracting concessions from Sweden.

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Putin is in no hurry.

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Translated: Putin is Not interested in peace.

Hmmm, Russia keeps the land?

So when Putin comes up with a pretext for taking the Baltics, the world should give him a green light?

So. Nixon didn’t attend the Paris Peace Accords to end the war in Vietnam.

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Eurocat

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Okay, so let's send another $100 billion to Ukraine. That'll teach him.

And frick NATO!

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So no, if all of Ukraine isn’t back under the influence of Russia, this thing will only start back up again later on down the road. And it’ll probably be even worse and more consequential the second time around.

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So your argument is that we can't have a ceasefire until Russia is defeated because you don't trust Putin. And presumably you want the US to continue paying for and participating in this non-NATO war, thus risking a wider confrtontation with China, and maybe even a nuclear war.

I say stop the fighting and let's see what happens. US should stay out of it because we do not have an alliance with Ukraine and we can't afford a major war. And, since you didn't address the last part of my post, I'll reiterate that Europe and Ukraine can use that time to bolster their military forces, so they won't keep asking the US to fight a war that is not in our best interests.

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So when Putin comes up with a pretext for taking the Baltics, the world should give him a green light?

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Well the Baltics are in NATO(for better or worse). So as long as the US is a NATO member(for better or worse) we’re required to fight for them.

But yes, Russia gets to keep the land they’ve taken in Ukraine unless the Ukrainians can retake it by force. That’s how wars work.

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So your argument is that we can't have a ceasefire until Russia is defeated because you don't trust Putin. And presumably you want the US to continue paying for and participating in this non-NATO war, thus risking a wider confrtontation with China, and maybe even a nuclear war.

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No that’s not my argument at all. You’re saying Russia is fine with taking what they currently hold, therefore they won’t want to attack again later on down the road, and I don’t think Russia is ok with that at all. They want all of Ukraine and it isn’t going to stop until they have it. I’m fine with a ceasefire and it appears that the US and Ukraine/Europe are okay with one as well, but Russia is obviously not because their goals haven’t been met. Everyone has offered to meet up and get this thing settled, except for Putin. And that’s because he’s a blood thirsty, warmongering, let’s go back to the good ole Slavic days, lunatic.

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And, since you didn't address the last part of my post, I'll reiterate that Europe and Ukraine can use that time to bolster their military forces, so they won't keep asking the US to fight a war that is not in our best interests.

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I mean that’s not going to keep the US out of it like you think. We’ll have a huge role in whatever kind of military buildup they decide to do, that’s if a ceasefire even happens though and Ukraine is still a sovereign state. I mean we’d be stupid to not make military equipment and etc. That’s tons of money for us. I mean I’m all for that kind of partnership between Europe and Ukraine. That’s why I think it’d be good if Ukraine can get a ceasefire, gives them a good opportunity to really build themselves up, but like I’ve been saying, Russia doesn’t want a ceasefire. They want a war, death, and capitulation. That’s all they’ll accept too and thats unacceptable in today’s modern world.