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7/8 teams lost after the bye. Ole Miss got a break then got a warm up game. On top of Harris and Aguero being out, half the defense that started got hurt and one got ejected. Bobo, who really was having an elite season at the most important o line position, was out. Ole Miss is a good team. What did y’all expect to happen?

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It makes more sense once you understand that several posters on this board are not Georgia fans. They want Kirby Smart fired because he's beaten their teams 8 or 9 years in a row. Oh, they'll deny that: "Who said anything about getting rid of Kirby?". But then you read their non-stop "analyses" of "what's wrong with Georgia's football program" (quotes to emphasize their default starting point of debate), and it's literally an indictment of everything that our head coach does.

Kirby can't recruit. Kirby doesn't use the transfer portal right. Kirby does a bad job of managing his staff. Kirby's game management is poor. It gets completely absurd. It's Kirby's fault his backup center snapped the football when he wasn't supposed to snap the football (as if Kirby taking the heat off Tolliver was an admission of guilt).

They start brain dead threads with titles like, "If Kirby was indeed the second Saban". The logic is literally non-existent from the outset, it's a straw man thread, but the nega dawgs flock to it like flies to shite. Nobody expected Kirby to repeat Saban's run of championships. Not even Saban would be the 2nd Saban in the era of NIL and the transfer portal.

Or "Whatever happened to offensive recruiting?", a thread that contains this gem, among other nonsense critiques that are trending toward a collection of every coaching failure known to man:

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Kirby has recruited bowers, Ladd, swift, fields, but not much else. Now we get zero elite talent,

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If that's a Georgia fan, they were in a coma for the last 10 years. By the end of that insane thread, we're desperate for Georgia Tech castoffs while Tech scoops up the 5 stars Kirby wants. That's some rich trolling right there.

This board is overrun with troll posts, it was inevitable I guess. There are two main kinds of threads now. The ones directly taunting fans who support Kirby Smart (or Lord Kirby, as SemperFiTroll mockingly calls him), and the ones criticizing virtually everything that Kirby does, directly or indirectly. I started one positive thread since the Sugar Bowl, mainly because I knew it would piss them off. It included data that doesn't fit the troll narrative that Kirby Smart and his staff have lost their edge, or maybe never had it to begin with. They avoided it like the plague. Their threads here are mostly nonsense, but that's all a troll can do when the object of their ire annually clubs their team like a baby seal.

Georgia's had several players in the last 10-15 years get a "grade" that seemed too high and was eventually proven to be too high. Freeling may declare and I wouldn't blame him, but if he bases it on anticipation of being drafted in the 1st, good chance he'll be disappointed IMO.

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UGA has a larger NIL budget than IU and look at the team difference

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You have no idea what those numbers are. Furthermore, you have no idea how Indiana would fare head to head against Georgia or against Georgia's full SEC schedule.

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If it’s both, then what are we talking about? You need heavy portal action.

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You're a Georgia fan, right? Get out your wallet. The prices are rising. Oh, wait I know, you contribute with message board advice to Georgia's head coach.

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For all those saying we did well with the roster we had

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Do you believe that those numbers serve up guarantees of a single game outcome? Clearly they don't and the reasons for that go far beyond coaching. Starting with the fact that, statistically speaking, small sample sizes (Like "1") yield extremely variable results.

In other words, 12-2 is a lot more meaningful than 0-1. Over the course of a season, is where the Team Talent is more meaningful. And even then it takes good coaching to achieve a good outcome. That combination, coaching and talent, is why Georgia won 12 games, and the SEC title over some other very talented teams on that list.

But even then there are other variables that have shifted and made those team talent numbers less meaningful. One that you didn't bother to mention seems very obvious, but maybe not. So, rather than give you the benefit of considerable doubt, I'll explain it using an example or two.

Trinidad Chambliss is probably better than the zero HS rating, or 86 Transfer rating that he was given by the recruiting service that made that chart. In fact, Ole Miss' team ranked 11th in the SEC, and they've won every game played so far, except for one. So, talent data can't, don't, won't foretell every game outcome, regardless of coaching. And the transfer portal makes those numbers even less meaningful, because experience is important, and nobody has a good handle on transfer ratings.

Taking all of that into account, plus inexperience, injuries, and competition vs other good teams, it's perfectly accurate to say Georgia did well with the roster they had. But, if all of this leads you to say Kirby Smart must now switch to a portal based roster, please take out your checkbook and write a very long number and mail it to whomever they ask you to buy for next year's team. Because those numbers are about to get a lot longer and money doesn't grow on trees. Otherwise, stop complaining about the portal because you're part of the problem.

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I would actually say the most important job is to get points when they matter. Big-time goal line plays with elimination on the line.

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Fremeau's data shows a high correlation between OPD, DPD, some associated stats, and team success. Probably because teams that score more points per possession (on average) than their opponents usually end up with more points at the end of the game (when they matter). It's not intended to be a guarantee for any specific possession, game or season outcome. Nothing purports to capture that except the delusion of fools. What it does show is that Georgia's offense operated at a very high level relative to their SEC peers in 2025.

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When have I ever said Kirby has to go?

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Here's what I said:

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But he and Bulldawg10 are working hard to convince people that Kirby has to go.

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I asked for clarification earlier about your self described mission here. You didn't respond. I'll ask again. What does this mean?

The younger Dawg nation. That’s who we need to convince my brother.

I took that to mean you're trying to convince people to join your fight against Kirby Smart's management of his coaching staff. Was I wrong?

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This troll is really bad and he can't count. But he and Bulldawg10 are working hard to convince people that Kirby has to go. They might have him now that Kirby has fessed up to snapping the football when he wasn't supposed to.

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There is only winning and not winning. The rest are just words

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Yep, and winning is what Kirby Smart does better than anyone else in the business. The words of his detractors are just lies on a message board.

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What are you asking for here, some peer-reviewed source?

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Did you expect to just spout BS about everyone dealing with the same injuries as Georgia in the last two playoffs and not be challenged? Did you expect nobody to point out that the Ole Miss team we played was missing practically nobody of importance. Did you expect nobody to point out that we're the only team in these two seasons to lose their starting QB in their last game before the playoff? You can make things up to support your opinions, but expect to be corrected when you do. This is a peer reviewed message board.

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That's great that Ole Miss had good injury luck this year. That's not the norm in the SEC and it certainly hasn't been the case for Georgia for however many years in a row. Ole Miss is also technically on their backup QB and had their running back with a gimped shoulder as well.

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FooManChoo said that we've had some critical missing pieces in our last two playoff losses. That's a fact. You explained that away by saying it's inevitable. In other words, you were saying that injuries had nothing to do with our two losses because everyone has them just like we did. That's not a fact, it's just the opposite. I explained why.

You don't like that, having your lies exposed, then maybe reflect on the fact that this is a Georgia board. Side with the detractors of our coaches and our program, expect some pushback from Georgia fans. You don't like the pushback, then deal with it like we've had to deal with the constant trolling from idiots on this board, starting threads to taunt Georgia fans who disagree with their bashing of incredibly successful Georgia coaches and players.

BTW, Ole Miss is not on their backup QB, technically or otherwise. Chambliss won the job just like Jake Fromm won the UGA job in 2017. And half of Georgia's team is "gimped" in one way our another. But we were the with team "missing key players", not Ole Miss. Our missing players didn't lose their jobs, they're unable to play.

You continue with the lying to support your troll buddies and their UGA bashing. They come out after every loss. SemperFiTroll's "Hats off to Bobo" thread was a taunt aimed at Georgia fans. The entire premise of this thread is a taunt. Kirby's won multiple playoff games and he's done it against top 4 teams, not Tulane and James Madison. So, I'll keep on pointing out you and your buddies' BS on this board.

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This is going to happen every year. When you play 14-16 games in a season and 9 of them are conference games, you're going to lose several important pieces by the end of the year, it's inevitable at this point.

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Did you actually research this, or just saying things that validate your opinion? On defense, every single one of Ole Miss top 20 tacklers this season (by number) played in the Sugar Bowl. On offense, every one of their top 5 rushers played, and every one of their top 10 pass catchers also played. As far as I can tell, they had one OL out, but he wasn't much of a contributor. What important pieces were they missing?

As for Georgia's two playoff appearances, losing your starting QB in game 13 is not a trivial loss, it's a critical loss and most teams will struggle against playoff competition with a first time starter. Losing your starting center in game 12 is pretty important too, and Tolliver made a mental error that may have cost us the Ole Miss game. Nate Frazier was hurt in game and not available for a critical final goal line series. On defense we lost Kyron Jones, who had basically won a starting job, in midseason. We lost starters Jordan Hall in game 8, Joenel Aguero in game 12, Gabe Harris in game 13, Jacorey Thomas just before halftime in in the Sugar Bowl due to a questionable targeting penalty.

I'd say the differential attrition of the two teams played a big role in this year's playoff loss.