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re: No issue bothers me quite like the current interpretation of the 14th Amendment
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:03 pm to Ingeniero
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:03 pm to Ingeniero
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During the debates over the 14th amendment they considered exclusions on gypsies and Chinese because they were seen as transient losers with no allegiance to the US.
Were you hoping that no one actually read the transcript?
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:19 pm to TrueTiger
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The odds of an Amendment in our current divisive state is about 1%.
But seriously - there would be several states that would immediately ratify it… but not enough.
If only we could hold hostage the non-seated representatives to force states to ratify it like Seward did for the 14th Amendment to regain their representation.
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:23 pm to TriStateAreaFootball
Truth. I'm disappointed that the Supremes are so myopic. The industry of bringing pregnant women in on "vacation " just to have a baby that is then a US citizen is huge. And letting illegals have a child that is an American citizen immediately is just wrong. That encourages unlawful entrance into our country. Just sad that 9 people ruin the entire country.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:24 pm to leeman101
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The drafters of the 14th amendment should have been more detailed about it.
If only we could go back in time to tell them that people in the future would be so utterly retarded that they need to write everything in simple yet detailed terms, because expecting people to use their brain is just too much to ask.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The actual defenders of the Constitution understand that there's a process to amend it and that's the proper way to solve this problem
The actual constitution provides for a second process.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 10:26 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
You can’t fix postmodernism with rationality.
The most effective antidote for sophistry is force.
The most effective antidote for sophistry is force.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 12:36 am to PuertoRicanBlaze
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We weren't a post-modern, "diverse" society at the time so they couldn't have possibly predicted we'd be overrun with third world leeches a century later.
Do you really want to use this line of thinking as bedrock for constitutional analysis?
That one will NEVER come back to bite you in the arse.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 1:03 am to Ingeniero
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I don't think even the current admin argues that lawful permanent residents can't give birth to citizens.
So?
Posted on 4/2/26 at 1:08 am to TriStateAreaFootball
“Subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is pretty simple. This is only a hard issue if you want our country to be overrun by foreigners.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:06 am to TriStateAreaFootball
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it robs my children.
IF the democrat party were forced to write a true statement about any agenda item they support - this would be it.
The democrat party is designed to rob your children.
Nothing it does creates opportunity for your children - unless you are an illegal alien.
If you are an illegal alien, the democrat party will prostitute themselves on any other topic to protect your potential to be be used as a pawn in their election desires.
The democrat party is evil.
I cannot find a single thing the democrat party promotes that does NOT increase the proportion of evil affecting normal US population.
Democrat policies do nothing to improve the lives of moral poor people - it only tries to seduce them with policies that further encourage them to abandon their morality and join the group of fraudsters.
Conservatives are not perfect - but we are far from evil - we earnestly try to assist everyone to HONESTLY climb the ladder of success.
The only type of 'success' we try to stifle is corruption.
At least that is how I see it.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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"Current" as in almost 130 years old? The majority of the time that we have existed as a country has relied on this interpretation.
We also understood borders were real. We didn’t allow millions in illegally nor had our rules been exploited with affluent Chinese + ease of international travel anchor baby tourism. Common sense has gone out the window.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:19 am to TriStateAreaFootball
quote:While I understand the point you are trying to make and personally agree that the 14th should not apply the way it does, I would caution against an argument where the death of American children in the womb is minimized while you argue that your own children’s rights seem to be watered down.
I hate abortion, but I rarely encounter it on a daily basis, and it is effectively outlawed in the South.
Abortion is evil, and the children killed because it is allowed to persist have no ability to complain about the unfairness of the 14th amendment.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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quote:
bullshite
Wong Kim Ark was in 1898
And his parents were legalized citizens.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 5:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:As was the case with slavery in a divided nation. How did that work out?
The actual defenders of the Constitution understand that there's a process to amend it and that's the proper way to solve this problem
Regardless, you say we should write an Amendment correcting the stupidity of findings in US v Ark? How exactly do you see such an Amendment passing?
It won't.
It won't in part, because a large contingent of leftists couldn't care less about the Constitution, or American success. They care about nothing but power, control and redistribution of others' earnings into their pockets.
ITR children of illegals vote 2-to-1 Democrat. So, the more the merrier. The millions of Chinese birth tourism "citizens" who have zero allegiance to the US would obviously vote in bloc against both the Amendment and its proponents.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:05 am to NytroBud
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And his parents were legalized citizens.
No
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:12 am to RaginCajunz
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We also understood borders were real. We didn’t allow millions in illegally
SFP is silent on the fact that the overlords of the "Biden" administration intentionally and aggressively refused to enforce our laws put into effect to minimize the catastrophe we have now.
This would not be the crisis it is today without the four years of INTENTIONALLY CORRUPT neglect of duty by official during the 'biden' tenure.
This purposefully corrupt process was planned to create just the crisis we have to deal with today. And the purpose of the corruption was/is to overwhelm the normal population of the USA with foreign people with no regard for anything other than corruption and who would participate in the democrat effort to stifle any action to correct the problem === with the goal of creating vast numbers in the census to increase their power in congress and provide a larger potential for ballot manipulation.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:38 am to GoblinGuide
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Truly, no one has it as hard as the straight white Christian. They struggle every day.
absolutely accurate. Struggle with watching this country go to hell every day.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:51 am to TriStateAreaFootball
The 14th A was directly addressing former slaves. If it truly was about ANYONE borne in America, why didn't the 14A also grant American Indians citizenship???
That didn't happen until 1924.
If American Indians weren't considered citizens under the 14A, how can an illegals children be considered citizens?
Its the same damn principle.
That didn't happen until 1924.
If American Indians weren't considered citizens under the 14A, how can an illegals children be considered citizens?
Its the same damn principle.
This post was edited on 4/2/26 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 4/2/26 at 6:51 am to ChineseBandit58
Lets also consider what is driving the South and Central America people and ME and Africa here?
For the most part, it is the socialist benefits. Medicaid, welfare, school, while many of them make money, don't pay taxes or send it back home.
If they didn't have access to that, they wouldn't want to come. The ones just wanting to work would come and would maybe just be transient and not permanent. But the freebies draws them here.
As conservatives who are against socialism, we have allowed socialism to creep further and further into our country. Now we are stuck with with it.
For the most part, it is the socialist benefits. Medicaid, welfare, school, while many of them make money, don't pay taxes or send it back home.
If they didn't have access to that, they wouldn't want to come. The ones just wanting to work would come and would maybe just be transient and not permanent. But the freebies draws them here.
As conservatives who are against socialism, we have allowed socialism to creep further and further into our country. Now we are stuck with with it.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:14 am to lake chuck fan
Elk v. Wilkins?
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