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My big concern about AI, UBI, the Singularity and civil society....
Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:23 am
Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:23 am
Boils down to the question, which I have not heard Elon or Naval address when discussing the coming abundance....
The question (or really two questions to make it REAL)
1- Who gets to stay in Cinderella's Castle?
or more accurately maybe....
2- Who get's to eat in Cinderella's Castle each night?
I love the idea that we won't need retirements and most all labor and effort will be done for us, so we can focus on agency.
But looking at the grand landscape of current humans.... what is the answer to those questions?
The question (or really two questions to make it REAL)
1- Who gets to stay in Cinderella's Castle?
or more accurately maybe....
2- Who get's to eat in Cinderella's Castle each night?
I love the idea that we won't need retirements and most all labor and effort will be done for us, so we can focus on agency.
But looking at the grand landscape of current humans.... what is the answer to those questions?
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:29 am to Meauxjeaux
Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:35 am to Meauxjeaux
I think that Uncle Ted was right, the Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:36 am to OysterPoBoy
Well, I kinda live on the bleeding edge of societal innovation, and so always studying interviews and podcasts of people making things happen in the world.
The great debate around AI is one side says it’s catastrophe for everyone and the other side says it’s unlimited abundance for everyone.
I tend to fall on the unlimited abundance side, but the question I keep having is when unlimited abundance is available to everyone, how does that play out in real daily life?
For example, generally, the better things in life our gatekeeped by cost and logistics.
Disney is my example, not everyone is able to go to Disney because of costs and logistics. But when cost and logistics are no longer the gatekeeper, who or how do we decide who gets to go to Disney? And even more up the ladder, who decides who gets to eat at Cinderella‘s castle every evening?
The great debate around AI is one side says it’s catastrophe for everyone and the other side says it’s unlimited abundance for everyone.
I tend to fall on the unlimited abundance side, but the question I keep having is when unlimited abundance is available to everyone, how does that play out in real daily life?
For example, generally, the better things in life our gatekeeped by cost and logistics.
Disney is my example, not everyone is able to go to Disney because of costs and logistics. But when cost and logistics are no longer the gatekeeper, who or how do we decide who gets to go to Disney? And even more up the ladder, who decides who gets to eat at Cinderella‘s castle every evening?
Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:36 am to Meauxjeaux
Evil will always be evil and takers will always take. Utupia would never work without borderline capital punishment for offenses, and once you have that evil fricks will take over and use it to control. Your averqge low IQ human is not capable of critical thinking and will just go along with whatever the gander says or whatever "sounds good"
Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:43 am to Meauxjeaux
I talked to a young male child and complimented him on his haircut. I said it looked cool. He said it was good for his aura.
We are fricked.
We are fricked.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 6:43 am to Meauxjeaux
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My big concern about AI, UBI, the Singularity and civil society....
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the coming abundance....
I think what you're talking about is the process of moving into a "post-scarcity society". If so, to me it's not so much "who gets it" but rather "most people aren't ready for it."
For those not up with the idea, think of what Meauxjeaux is talking about as the Star Trek economy (before the writers realized they needed some form of currency). Automation (AGI and robotics) is capable of creating, maintaining and upgrading all supply chains, from finding and harvesting the basic materials to refinement to the finished product. This means there's literally no cost for things to be made.
If there's no cost, of what use is money?
Along with that, we already do not have to struggle much for food, water, shelter nor clothing (Maslow's Heirarchy of Needs). What happens when those are provided in surplus with zero cost? No one needs a job, which is good because AI/robots will have taken them all over.
So how does society handle everything being free and readily available?
It doesn't.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 6:56 am to Meauxjeaux
I don't think this will be what people are saying it will be.
Electricity was as big a deal to the people of the time as AI is to us. People said electricity would put the candle makers out of jobs. While it did cost the candle makers their jobs, the reality is that electricity created more jobs.
I believe AI will do the same thing. Lots of jobs will be replaced by AI, but those lost jobs will be offset by new jobs, many of which we don't know what they'll be yet. Also, AI will not be replacing most of the type of jobs that require physical work or using hand tools. Not in our lifetimes, anyway. Just my opinion.
The difference with AI is that AI will develop much faster than electricity did, and there may be some pain in the short term with society adapting.
Electricity was as big a deal to the people of the time as AI is to us. People said electricity would put the candle makers out of jobs. While it did cost the candle makers their jobs, the reality is that electricity created more jobs.
I believe AI will do the same thing. Lots of jobs will be replaced by AI, but those lost jobs will be offset by new jobs, many of which we don't know what they'll be yet. Also, AI will not be replacing most of the type of jobs that require physical work or using hand tools. Not in our lifetimes, anyway. Just my opinion.
The difference with AI is that AI will develop much faster than electricity did, and there may be some pain in the short term with society adapting.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 6:57 am to Meauxjeaux
Why hasn’t AI solved the fusion issue for free electricity? Why hasn’t AI shown the importance for socialism or social engineering? More importantly why hasn’t AI solved the genetics problem of fat ugly in people. At this point I would settle for how can AI make weathermen at least better than 50% accurate
Posted on 5/12/26 at 6:59 am to Meauxjeaux
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I tend to fall on the unlimited abundance side, but the question I keep having is when unlimited abundance is available to everyone, how does that play out in real daily life?
Human nature will take over. Humans need a sense of purpose. Without that purpose and instinct to survive, nature will take its course, and we may indeed become extinct... but not because we were killed off by AI. We will just slowly die off. Then, I suppose our offspring, in the form of robots, or humanoids, will rule the world.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:02 am to Meauxjeaux
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We won’t need retirement
Enjoy your $400 UBI supplement
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:02 am to Bard
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If so, to me it's not so much "who gets it" but rather "most people aren't ready for it."
I think you mean "WE" aren't ready for it.
But society will have evolved by then. We are generally fast to adapt. Those people will be ready for it, for the most part, IMO. Those people will probably not have much use for a place like Disney.
I realize things are changing fast, but I do not believe the things most people fear will hit us quite fast enough to cause most of the concerns.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:04 am to Meauxjeaux
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:06 am to Meauxjeaux
Location will be important to how things play out. I see many problems with certain demographics that have wealth and lots of time on their hands. If you currently live in a high crime area, it'll likely get worse. I believe my east TN location will be beneficial. The high median age locations should be prime.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:08 am to Nosevens
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Why hasn’t AI solved the fusion issue for free electricity? Why hasn’t AI shown the importance for socialism or social engineering? More importantly why hasn’t AI solved the genetics problem of fat ugly in people. At this point I would settle for how can AI make weathermen at least better than 50% accurate
You should post more !
Also, this dream World that people speak of can never happen in reality because there are always going to be required jobs of humans and there is only so much that AI can do.
From the law side while AI can help preparation it will not replace trial lawyers in courtrooms nor will it replace prosecutors or public defenders. I doubt it will replace air-conditioning or plumbing.
Because of that when people have to work for money they are not gonna wanna see other people not working and getting as much money there is a name for that and it's not pretty
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:12 am to Meauxjeaux
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Who gets to stay in Cinderella's Castle?
This is why we need to get a handle on immigration and the border.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:12 am to dafif
You do understand sarcasm right? The genetics of ugly solved? Weatherman being correct or socialism working right this time ?
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:17 am to dafif
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Can’t replace
Let’s say your job is safe. What do you think happens to the economy if millions of high earners can’t afford their mortgage or to be consumers? Trump injected trillions into the economy in 2020 when we were looking at two months of unemployment. We’re actively driving towards our own economic demise.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 7:18 am
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:18 am to UptownJoeBrown
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I talked to a young male child and complimented him on his haircut. I said it looked cool. He said it was good for his aura.
We are fricked.
Appreciate the levity UptownJoeBrown, but 10's of thousands of people who represent the best of America are parked outside of Iran reminding you:
... we are not fricked.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:21 am to Meauxjeaux
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Who gets to stay in Cinderella's Castle?
The same greedy bastards who are in there now. UBI is a pipe dream- a Trojan horse. Look at the state of humanity. Do you really believe that someone is going to invent something that does your job- and still pay you to not work?
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