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re: My big concern about AI, UBI, the Singularity and civil society....
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:22 am to UptownJoeBrown
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:22 am to UptownJoeBrown
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I said it looked cool. He said it was good for his aura.
We are fricked.
Because culture from 60 years ago is returning?
If we survived the 60s and 70s, we can survive the 2020s
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:22 am to Prodigal Son
Are you questioning the intent and benevolence of the tech lords?
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:23 am to Meauxjeaux
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I tend to fall on the unlimited abundance side,
And yet you had no problem coming up with something that will never be unlimited.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:24 am to NIH
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Are you questioning the intent and benevolence of the tech lords?
Please, forgive my cynicism. Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:25 am to NIH
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Let’s say your job is safe. What do you think happens to the economy if millions of high earners can’t afford their mortgage or to be consumers? Trump injected trillions into the economy in 2020 when we were looking at two months of unemployment. We’re actively driving towards our own economic demise.
The mid-low IQ range celebrating this perceived win in the populist class warfare bullshite really don't understand the larger issues at play.
I mean just from their POV, they ignore the fact that smart people can do their job, and do it better. If this societal shift happens and the educated/professional class does suffer, they will just move down the economic ladder and replace that population from their good jobs.
The other stratification in play is how AI can be leveraged by the intelligent to increase productivity/output and, theoretically, make them more money. Intellectual limitations will prevent the lower IQ populations from this avenue, so this new economic world order that the tech bros are predicting will only be available to a small population.
It's going to be wild the next 10-20 years.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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small population
Exactly. Our society will begin to resemble the third world. A small percentage will live in luxury behind large walls and security. The rest will be told to be content with hundreds of dollars of UBI and AI movies. This has played out plenty of times over history but the tech lords will do it better this time, I’m sure.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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The other stratification in play is how AI can be leveraged by the intelligent to increase productivity/output and, theoretically, make them more money.
Think this will happen in most cases.
AI won't be taking a lot of jobs. It's people who use and are proficient with using AI who will take jobs.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:29 am to Meauxjeaux
As with most issues, I don't believe AI will be as good or as bad as the speculation. Also, I think it will happen not nearly as quickly as folks predict.
I also don't believe the powerful states and corporations that will ultimately control AI will allow anything to trickle down to us regular folks. They will squeeze every possible bit of power and profit they can. That is their nature.
Why would we expect that to change?
Remember Y2K?
I also don't believe the powerful states and corporations that will ultimately control AI will allow anything to trickle down to us regular folks. They will squeeze every possible bit of power and profit they can. That is their nature.
Why would we expect that to change?
Remember Y2K?
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 7:30 am
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:30 am to Meauxjeaux
I foresee a Snow Crash-like world. A few corporations ruling, while most normal people escape to the metaverse, or whatever we want to call it as far as singularity is concerned.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:31 am to NIH
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Exactly. Our society will begin to resemble the third world. A small percentage will live in luxury behind large walls and security. The rest will be told to be content with hundreds of dollars of UBI and AI movies.
Let's assume global warming and sea level rise is a real threat.
Is a single person in Miami going to drown? Of course not.
Because the sea won't rise that fast. People will adapt and move.
It'll be the same with AI for the most part. People will adapt. Neither sea level rise, nor the AI takeover, will be so instantaneous that society collapses. This is not to say no one will be harmed and there will be no pain. Adaptation will be required.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:35 am to lake chuck fan
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As with most issues, I don't believe AI will be as good or as bad as the speculation.
AI has out performed expectations
With how aggressive the AI infrastructure build out is currently I fail to see how it doesn't continue to shatter expectations.
Where I think you're right is corporate adoption might be slow in some industries
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I also don't believe the powerful states and corporations that will ultimately control AI will allow anything to trickle down to us regular folks.
This is somewhat true. Anthropic is not allowing the mythos model to be made available to the public because they believe it is too powerful and could cause problems in the wrong hands. The tools available to the public are definitely nerfed.
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Remember Y2K?
This isn't even close to being the same thing
Posted on 5/12/26 at 7:59 am to Flats
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I tend to fall on the unlimited abundance side,
And yet you had no problem coming up with something that will never be unlimited.
That's the point of the thread...
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:01 am to Prodigal Son
The truth is, outside of being consumers many humans are about to become expendable.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The 60s were turbulent, but today’s chaos spreads worldwide in real time. Different scale.
If we survived the 60s and 70s, we can survive the 2020s
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:26 am to Bard
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So how does society handle everything being free and readily available?
I think you can see a microcosm of this with social media stars who come from significant wealth.
They're often self-deluded people who have no care for others, are willing to destroy the planet for their own satisfaction and pleasure, and eventually spin out of control psychologically.
We can all be spoiled brats with nothing to work for because everything has been handed to us since we were born. We can all be an "iPad generation" where immediate gratification is assumed. We can all convince ourselves that the world revolves around us because with an AGI/UBI society, the world will revolve around us.
But the reality is that this future would not be for you and me. Consider the recent story about a neighborhood in Georgia losing water pressure and being told to limit their water usage because an AI data center had been diverting more water than expected. I'm sure the people of that neighborhood thought they were part of the higher end of society; I'm sure they would imagine that the future will take care of successful, wealthy, intelligent, civilized people like them. The oligarchs do not fricking care. Took their water and are going to have to be told by the government to give it back. And when the government has no use for the people of that neighborhood...?
We've all seen the movies, watched the TV shows, and read the books. Power corrupts absolutely. They will kill everyone they no longer need.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:34 am to Meauxjeaux
Events covered in Revelation will unfold before AI and UBI cause any Time Machine movie type scenarios.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:41 am to Powerman
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Remember Y2K?
This isn't even close to being the same thing
My broader point is that almost never do things measure up to the hype, either good or bad.
I comprehend that it's possible for AI to become very dark force in our world but I don't think it will happen as quickly as hyped, if it happens at all.
I wasn't talking about AI products not being distributed to the public, I'm saying corporate greed won't allow any free benefit to the public. Such as this nonsense of a universal income.... or any of the other fairytale bullshite about folks not having to work, etc.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:43 am to Meauxjeaux
I really don't see how AI is going to actually replace much. AI cant replace an AC system in a 75 year old house. Most of these tech companies boil down to advertising revenue or selling some sort of software or electronic device. Like very cool, apple is an advanced technology company, but at the end of the day, they sell computers and cell phones. Construction projects will never be replaced with AI. Lawyers and Finance positions will obviously be replaced, but they do not contribute much to actual society. The medical field, people want to talk to a human. AI can assist with diagnostics and running tests, but they are already doing that. Most of the jobs in our economy are just made up bs jobs. UBI will be nothing more than a tax refund. People who don't work will still be living in squalor.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:46 am to lake chuck fan
Why hasn’t snowcrash been made into a movie TV series 
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:58 am to Nosevens
Why didn't a 1940 automobile engine run 200k miles like today?
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 8:59 am
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