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re: My big concern about AI, UBI, the Singularity and civil society....

Posted on 5/12/26 at 1:31 pm to
Posted by PurpleSingularity
Member since Dec 2017
2835 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 1:31 pm to
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how do we decide who gets to go to Disney? And even more up the ladder, who decides who gets to eat at Cinderella‘s castle every evening?


Because there won’t be just 1 Disney, there will be the number required to satisfy the population—and AI will determine that density to perfection….I thought you were on the cutting edge of thought in this space…
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 1:46 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 1:32 pm to
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AI has out performed expectations

With how aggressive the AI infrastructure build out is currently I fail to see how it doesn't continue to shatter expectations.

I spent 15 mins of my life a few weeks ago convincing ChatGPT that Charlie Kirk had been assassinated last year. It was crazy, a little fun but also illuminating. The chatbot argued on and on that I was buying into a conspiracy theory, that Charlie Kirk was alive and well, and it even admonished me for suggesting otherwise. I posted links to reports. Didn't matter. I posted images. Didn't matter. It was only when I posted a link to a YouTube video of Trump speaking at the memorial that it acquiesced.

On the topic here - AI will prove to be like disruptive technologies of the past, and it'll end up yielding more wealth to go around. I don't disagree that it may add to the already in place trend of consolidating power/wealth to relative few at the top, but it'll do so while making the lives of everybody else materially better, also.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122858 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 1:32 pm to
I’m amazed at how many people think we can just sustain millions of lost jobs and not fall into economic dysfunction.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20102 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 2:25 pm to
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Thanks, cock

My pleasure kind sir.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173678 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 2:26 pm to
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AI along with Automation and Advanced Robotics is going to allow Fortune 500 companies to trim at minimum 33% of their workforce once fully implemented and even more after it reaches fine tuning. You are going to have massive losses in Financial/Banking sector, Healthcare sector, IT sector, Legal sector, Accounting sector etc.

The truly rich will just get richer. The middle class will suffer the worst, and the bottom 20% will be taken care of just as they are now with our current welfare/entitlement state. A lot of people are going to be out of work and have no job prospects.


I think if things get this bad people start attacking the robots...to the point where they might even become an uninsurable asset.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 2:53 pm to
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AI along with Automation and Advanced Robotics is going to allow Fortune 500 companies to trim at minimum 33% of their workforce once fully implemented and even more after it reaches fine tuning. You are going to have massive losses in Financial/Banking sector, Healthcare sector, IT sector, Legal sector, Accounting sector etc.

This has happened before. What's changed is the timeframe.

40% of the workforce was engaged in feeding the country in 1900. Advances in machinery (and other aspects of farming) brought the employment level down to 15% by 1940, and today it's less than 2%.

AI disruption will play out much quicker than that - maybe a decade? That said, our ability to adapt has sped up massively as well.

There will be a lot of pain, but it won't last forever. Much like the onset of other disruptive technologies like the computer and internet.

And like I posted before, AI will fuel the continuation of the trend of the declining labor share of income.
Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
24408 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 3:20 pm to
Int a perfect world where everyone has equal basic income and that basic income is more than enough to survive and thrive and enjoy life…. A portion of the population will continue living in poverty because they are uneducated and reactionary.
Posted by theliontamer
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
2019 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 3:52 pm to
I don't think it will come due. The global economy will come to a stop before ours does. Fewer and fewer people are working for large corporations. Dual income households provide more of a cushion. Predatory ARM loans are relatively uncommon now. I just don't see people struggling like they would have in the past. They will stop getting door dash and manicures. They will cancel their car insurance. There is so much food around, homeless people will throw it away if you try to give it to them.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 3:58 pm to
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Int a perfect world where everyone has equal basic income and that basic income is more than enough to survive and thrive and enjoy life

I wonder how many think this would be a perfect world.

It sounds like hell on earth to me.
Posted by Beauw
Blanchard
Member since Sep 2007
4228 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 4:10 pm to
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I tend to fall on the unlimited abundance side, but the question I keep having is when unlimited abundance is available to everyone, how does that play out in real daily life?


I think I have said this before, but I think we all end up like the fatasses on the spaceship in Wall-E, just hovering around on our hover chairs, drinking slushies and having our faces crammed into a screen.

Until inevitably the machines go Skynet and determine we are not worth it and wipe us out.
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