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re: MPD policy allows knee to the neck restraint. Wow!
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:03 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:03 am to NC_Tigah
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Hey Minneapolis, write the Floyd's a BIG check now. You can get good PR.
You'll be writing it later anywa
IDK if the check could’ve gotten any bigger, but if it’s possible, this will certainly do it.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:05 am to OchoDedos
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Sorry to burst your anti-cop crusade
I’m gonna ask you one more time to explain wth you’re talking about.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:06 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
I go back to my original stance on this issue. This entire situation is the fault of the Minneapolis City Government which has been run entirely by leftists, if not outright communists.
If this is, in fact its policy, Minneapolis and its PD is on the hook if such a restraint can in fact be lethal, even if applied correctly. Because if it can be lethal to people with underlying conditions, or who are on drugs (neither of which can be ruled out in criminal populations very easily) - why the frick did Minneapolis think this was a better idea than saying “put your hands up.”
Further - the cop who kneeled on the guy for 9 mins couldn’t have just cuffed him?? Why isn’t when to cuff the guy in the policy?? You can just kneel indefinitely?
Further, the cop who kneeled on the guy had 28 other instances, one of which involved a death - and was probably emboldened by the 28 other times he went on a power trip and nothing bad happened to him at the hand of Minneapolis Gvt.
Finally, Minneapolis is sending 400 kinds of mixed messages. After 50’yrs of the one party rule pitting races against each other, and then having a policy on its books that could kill someone even if properly applied, and missing 28 opportunities to get a bad cop to turn into a good one, they ignore the fricking bonfire of rage and confusion created by their idiotic behavior.
Seriously. frick Minneapolis.
The USAG Needs to make an example of its government. Not it’s cops. Its fricking idiotic communist government that created this monster.
It is legit no different than when people stormed the Bastille. That sounds kind of romantic to leftists. But it wasn’t. It was a mob created by a failure to respect civil liberties who lost all reason, and stopped respecting laws that didn’t respect them.
If this is, in fact its policy, Minneapolis and its PD is on the hook if such a restraint can in fact be lethal, even if applied correctly. Because if it can be lethal to people with underlying conditions, or who are on drugs (neither of which can be ruled out in criminal populations very easily) - why the frick did Minneapolis think this was a better idea than saying “put your hands up.”
Further - the cop who kneeled on the guy for 9 mins couldn’t have just cuffed him?? Why isn’t when to cuff the guy in the policy?? You can just kneel indefinitely?
Further, the cop who kneeled on the guy had 28 other instances, one of which involved a death - and was probably emboldened by the 28 other times he went on a power trip and nothing bad happened to him at the hand of Minneapolis Gvt.
Finally, Minneapolis is sending 400 kinds of mixed messages. After 50’yrs of the one party rule pitting races against each other, and then having a policy on its books that could kill someone even if properly applied, and missing 28 opportunities to get a bad cop to turn into a good one, they ignore the fricking bonfire of rage and confusion created by their idiotic behavior.
Seriously. frick Minneapolis.
The USAG Needs to make an example of its government. Not it’s cops. Its fricking idiotic communist government that created this monster.
It is legit no different than when people stormed the Bastille. That sounds kind of romantic to leftists. But it wasn’t. It was a mob created by a failure to respect civil liberties who lost all reason, and stopped respecting laws that didn’t respect them.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:08 am to abellsujr
Tasing has issues too. Pepper spray uses an alcohol based agent that is flammable.
And repeated jolt to a heart can result in cardiac arrest
And repeated jolt to a heart can result in cardiac arrest
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:21 am to OchoDedos
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Sorry to burst your anti-cop crusade, but if it's in that manual the dude is walking, and those other officers are getting their jobs back.
The manual says this though:
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The policy states the neck restraint “may be used against a subject who is actively resisting.”
And it's extremely clear that the guy was offering no resistance to where that was necessary by the time they were on the ground in what is scene on the video (especially after he went unconscious).
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:24 am to BayBengal9
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So when CPS (and a cop) shows up because some busybody neighbor saw your child in WalMart without a mask on
this has a near zero chance of happening
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:24 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Arm? Maybe. Knee with 100 pounds or more behind it? No way should that be in policy.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:25 am to TrueTiger
So when CPS (and a cop) shows up because some busybody neighbor saw your child in WalMart without a mask on
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I know right? Nomination for Karen post of the day.
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this has a near zero chance of happening
I know right? Nomination for Karen post of the day.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:27 am to Wednesday
quote:Honest question, is that a comparatively large number? When your job is arresting oppositional people, wouldn't you expect at least one complaint per month?
Further, the cop who kneeled on the guy had 28 other instances
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:34 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Is part of the policy using the knee restraint on a corpse?
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:36 am to Jake88
I obviously agree it looks horrible. The narrative and initial assumption from the video was that he had choked the guy. The ME has already come out and preliminarily has stated his knee was not doing what everyone assumed.
So now it is the overall restraint led to some form of death which is now some heart attack, I guess?
I think they should be criticized and punished for the way they handled the situation, but until the autopsy confirms what actually happens people should hold up some of the extreme judgements being thrown around.
So now it is the overall restraint led to some form of death which is now some heart attack, I guess?
I think they should be criticized and punished for the way they handled the situation, but until the autopsy confirms what actually happens people should hold up some of the extreme judgements being thrown around.
This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 9:37 am
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:38 am to abellsujr
Hasn't tasing been known to kill suspects as well 
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:38 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Sounds like cop may have been within policy and the guy died from an underlying condition.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:38 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
The knee didn’t kill him. He was talking (no airway obstruction) and he was talking (not passed out from carotid constriction) for several minutes. We’re likely going to find out that whatever process or condition that killed him was occurring with or without the cop holding him down.
Edited: spelling
Edited: spelling
This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 9:39 am
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:41 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
It’s not talking about a subdued person and he held it for like 3 minutes after the dude was unconscious. No way the fricker is getting off.
frick any bootlicker supporting the cops.
frick any bootlicker supporting the cops.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:42 am to Jake88
28 documented complaints over I think it was a period of like 10 years- yes, I would say that’s a lot.
If you got written up on your job 28 times - you think you would still have it?
And even if he was innocent all 28 times, it doesn’t sound to me as if Minn seriously investigated it. It’s not him that I’m so much furious with, it’s that Minneapolis had 28 times to review and correct this problem, and did not
If you got written up on your job 28 times - you think you would still have it?
And even if he was innocent all 28 times, it doesn’t sound to me as if Minn seriously investigated it. It’s not him that I’m so much furious with, it’s that Minneapolis had 28 times to review and correct this problem, and did not
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:42 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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According to the Minneapolis Police Policy Manual, the restraint used was in policy and it also indicates that training is given to officers on the maneuver.
According to the policy, a neck restraint can be used as a form of a “non-deadly option” and is defined as “compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck).”
I asked this in the beginning because I thought they looked so calm and they didn’t look as if they were thinking they we’re doing anything wrong.
I also mentioned what if the guy died from a heart attack and not from strangulation.
I also said let’s wait and see because these things always are different than they first appear.
This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:43 am to Corso
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Is part of the policy using the knee restraint on a corpse?
I don’t know since we don’t have the benefit of the entire policy. Why don’t you do an open records request on it if you’re that inquisitive; that can be your extra credit project today.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:46 am to Muleriderhog
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It’s not talking about a subdued person and he held it for like 3 minutes after the dude was unconscious. No way the fricker is getting off.
Law vs emotion
We don’t know what the ME is going to say yet.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:47 am to Jack Bauers HnK
This seems quite similar to the Eric Garner case in NYC, 2014. Slight distinctions in that Garner was subdued with direct chokehold and was a more noticeably unhealthy individual. But in respect to the matter of his saying he couldn't breathe, Garner was saying the exact same words during his ordeal, immediately prior to death.

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