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re: MPD policy allows knee to the neck restraint. Wow!
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:48 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Posted on 5/30/20 at 9:48 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
This is dumb. We are all dumber for you posting it.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:00 am to the808bass
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This is dumb. We are all dumber for you posting it.
Odd take given the relevance of the issue, civilly and possibly criminally.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:02 am to OchoDedos
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Sorry to burst your anti-cop crusade, but if it's in that manual the dude is walking, and those other officers are getting their jobs back.
Yep.
It’s a fricked-up policy, but it’s going to end up being the old “hate the game, not the player” thing. And more chaos will ensue.
This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 10:03 am
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:05 am to abellsujr
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Tasing will be more utilized now.
Until enough people seize up and die from that.
Where it goes from there in terms of methods of restraint is a crapshoot.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:05 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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I know I would like to see the actual hard copy policy instead of taking this article at its word.
Link to the Policy
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:06 am to tiger91
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Every cop, former cop, former FBI agent I heard on tv said this is never ever the correct procedure
Lots of dipshit soy drinking say anything for $500 former law enforcement out there.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:10 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Minneapolis paid out $2M to the family of a man they suffocated in 2013. Prone restraint asphyxia.
LINK
So that’s part of the policy as well. Also, one of the other officers says to Chauvin that maybe they should consider rolling Floyd on his side. Chauvin declines.
None of anything you typed is going to end up being relevant.
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Minneapolis Police Department policy specifies that "when ANY restraint technique is used on a subject, the subject shall not be left in a prone position and shall be placed on their side as soon as they are secured."
LINK
So that’s part of the policy as well. Also, one of the other officers says to Chauvin that maybe they should consider rolling Floyd on his side. Chauvin declines.
None of anything you typed is going to end up being relevant.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:12 am to Jinglebob
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Every cop, former cop, former FBI agent I heard on tv said this is never ever the correct procedure
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Lots of dip shite soy drinking say anything for $500 former law enforcement out there
Chances are high that the FBI agent did not even handcuff anyone in a 25 year career. I know that from experience. Kinda laughable that he’s weighing in on this - unless maybe he’s their DT instructor at Quntico or something.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:13 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
There was a thread yesterday that explained the exact language of the policy. It says there are two types of neck restraints. Conscious and unconscious. Conscious allows for at most moderate pressure to control the individual. Unconscious allows for adequate pressure to subdue the individual (knock him out). The ME's report also said using that restraint on someone who is laying prone can be dangerous and should carefully used.
Now it's in my opinion that when a man is handcuffed on the ground with more than one officer holding him down, there is absolutely no reason to apply more than moderate pressure and keep him conscious. However in the video Floyd passes out under the pressure of the officer's knee, officers check for a pulse, don't find one, but continue to apply what looks to be more than moderate pressure until the EMTs arrive.
Also in the official report, Officer Lane expresses concern for Floyd's health more than once, but Officer Chauvin dismisses those concerns and says they should continue with what they are doing.
Now it's in my opinion that when a man is handcuffed on the ground with more than one officer holding him down, there is absolutely no reason to apply more than moderate pressure and keep him conscious. However in the video Floyd passes out under the pressure of the officer's knee, officers check for a pulse, don't find one, but continue to apply what looks to be more than moderate pressure until the EMTs arrive.
Also in the official report, Officer Lane expresses concern for Floyd's health more than once, but Officer Chauvin dismisses those concerns and says they should continue with what they are doing.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:14 am to Colonel Flagg
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The ME has already come out and preliminarily has stated his knee was not doing what everyone assumed.
No matter what, the video clearly shows excessive force by the cop holding that position that long (including when the guy went unconscious for about 3 minutes). Never once did he appear concerned, attempt to speak to the guy or attempt to change his position even when another cop suggested that they do so.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:14 am to the808bass
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None of anything you typed is going to end up being relevant.
How about you yelling at the get-go it was asphyxiation. Is that relevant ?
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:15 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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that can be your extra credit project today.
Thanks teach
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:15 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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How about you yelling at the get-go it was asphyxiation. Is that relevant ?
It’s still going to be asphyxiation. You’re in for a letdown.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:15 am to PhDoogan
Well, the policeman will be found not guilty in a court of law. He did what he was trained to do by the government, in addition it appears that Mr. Floyd didn’t die from asphyxiation or suffocation. This is an easy win in the court of law.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:16 am to Corso
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Thanks teach
Somebody beat you to it. Sorry
cheers
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:16 am to cssamerican
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it appears that Mr. Floyd didn’t die from asphyxiation or suffocation.
You left out a word.
“Traumatic asphyxiation.”
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:18 am to Big EZ Tiger
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No matter what, the video clearly shows excessive force by the cop holding that position that long (including when the guy went unconscious for about 3 minutes). Never once did he appear concerned, attempt to speak to the guy or attempt to change his position even when another cop suggested that they do so.
I did not say the officers were in the right, but the whole narrative in people’s/media response was wrong based off what came from the ME. I think they are still due for criticism and punishment.
This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 10:19 am
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:21 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Law vs emotion We don’t know what the ME is going to say yet.
No I’m using the law. It also says in their policy it is only to be used briefly when a person is resisting. We have video proof that wasn’t happening.
frick off you dumbass.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:22 am to the808bass
If he had a heart attack, which is what it sounds like from what little we got from the ME, and his actions were the policy of the department. The police officer followed his training, and if he would have used other actions such as a taser the outcome would likely be the same. Then how does a court find him guilty?
The policy needs to be changed even if it didn’t cause Mr. Floyd’s death because the optics of it are horrible.
The policy needs to be changed even if it didn’t cause Mr. Floyd’s death because the optics of it are horrible.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:22 am to Colonel Flagg
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was wrong based off what came from the ME.
The response was overly focused on the knee. The response that Floyd’s death was unnecessary and criminal was not wrong. It is appropriate.
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