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re: MPD policy allows knee to the neck restraint. Wow!
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:23 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:23 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Minneapolis PD seems to be too often in the conversation for abuses. In 2015 they were given recommendations from DOJ on ways to reform procedures and eliminate rogue or bad officers. Evidently these recommendations were largely ignored. One of the practices that were cautioned against by DOJ was the fact they used inconsistent "coaching" trouble employees in lieu of discipline and corrective action, which resulted in retention of problem employees.
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This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:24 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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MPD policy allows knee to the neck restraint.
In other words. The cops dindu nuffin wrong.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:24 am to chris911guy
Remember when Minny last had a conservative Mayor to hire a conservative police chief?
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:24 am to Jake88
It is so hard to take people on this board's opinions on subjective topics when you remember the same people said Ronda Rousey can beat up most men, a grown man can't kill a bobcat with his bare hands, a gorilla would beat a bear in a fight etc etc.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:24 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
Mini is going to be fricked for a while.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:25 am to cssamerican
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If he had a heart attack, which is what it sounds like from what little we got from the ME
Nothing in the ME’s note in the probable cause statement can be taken to indicate he had a heart attack.
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and his actions were the policy of the department.
His actions were not following the policy of the department. As I noted above, when a patient is subdued with prone restraint, MPD policy is to roll them onto their side as soon as possible. Because they can die.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:25 am to Colonel Flagg
so he followed policy
and the possibility the death was a coronary issue
man... people gonna be mad when all the officers, esp. Chauvin, sues the city & PD for improper dismissal... wins back pay and benefits and the chance to get his badge back (which hopefully he takes... in another jurisdiction)
and the possibility the death was a coronary issue
man... people gonna be mad when all the officers, esp. Chauvin, sues the city & PD for improper dismissal... wins back pay and benefits and the chance to get his badge back (which hopefully he takes... in another jurisdiction)
This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 10:26 am
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:27 am to rt3
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so he followed policy
No he did not, read the entire policy posted on page 3.
This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:28 am to Big EZ Tiger
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And it's extremely clear that the guy was offering no resistance to where that was necessary by the time they were on the ground in what is scene on the video (especially after he went unconscious).
One thing that a friend of mine brought up that was really obvious and not talked about much is if the guy was resisting and the officer had any concerns about him then why does he have his hands in his pockets? If I think someone is a threat to me the last place my hand will be is in my pocket.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:29 am to Muleriderhog
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It also says in their policy it is only to be used briefly when a person is resisting. We have video proof that wasn’t happening.
From the policy manual:
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Active Resistance: A response to police efforts to bring a person into custody or control for detainment or arrest. A subject engages in active resistance when engaging in physical actions (or verbal behavior reflecting an intention) to make it more difficult for officers to achieve actual physical control. (10/01/10) (04/16/12)
Once he decided he didn’t want to get in the car by their policy he was actively resisting. There doesn’t appear to be a clear definition of how long they can control him through force after the incident. They would obviously say they were controlling him until the ambulance arrived on scene. Which in most cases would seem logical.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:32 am to cssamerican
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They would obviously say they were controlling him until the ambulance arrived on scene. Which in most cases would seem logical.
Why was an ambulance called in the first place? He seemed to be healthy and walking around fine when he was first put in cuffs?
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:32 am to cssamerican
These are the crimes that Chauvin has been charged with:
The 3rd degree murder charge will be more difficult to prove because of the depraved mind standard, IMO, because the policy and other contributing causes of death. However, the prosecution will focus on the length of time he kept the knee on the neck, the fact he was restrained and that he ignored others requests to lay him on his side.
I think he's fricked on the manslaughter charge.
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609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another;
The 3rd degree murder charge will be more difficult to prove because of the depraved mind standard, IMO, because the policy and other contributing causes of death. However, the prosecution will focus on the length of time he kept the knee on the neck, the fact he was restrained and that he ignored others requests to lay him on his side.
I think he's fricked on the manslaughter charge.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:33 am to Powerman
Apparently every cop on this board is going to check in with a “so he was following policy” post.
That sort of tone deaf response is absolutely part of the problem. Additionally, the fact that apparently no cop has received any training on prone restraint is a bit shocking.
That sort of tone deaf response is absolutely part of the problem. Additionally, the fact that apparently no cop has received any training on prone restraint is a bit shocking.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:33 am to Powerman
He didn’t have his hands in his pockets. He has on black gloves. There are multiple pictures from different angles that show him and the other officers wearing black gloves.
I don’t think you are lying on purpose.
I don’t think you are lying on purpose.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:33 am to cssamerican
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Once he decided he didn’t want to get in the car by their policy he was actively resisting. There doesn’t appear to be a clear definition of how long they can control him through force after the incident. They would obviously say they were controlling him until the ambulance arrived on scene. Which in most cases would seem logical.
There is a 10 minute long video of his murder of him saying, “I can’t breathe” and agreeing to get in the car but the cops wouldn’t let him up. No he was not and you’re a piece of shite.
I’m assuming you’re a scumbag cop because of your shitty “policy” argument. Always gotta stay behind that blue wall.
This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:34 am to BM7133
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MPD policy allows knee to the neck restraint. Wow!
It is so hard to take people on this board's opinions on subjective topics when you remember the same people said Ronda Rousey can beat up most men, a grown man can't kill a bobcat with his bare hands, a gorilla would beat a bear in a fight etc etc.
ah, the nebulous "this board"
frick you
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:34 am to PhDoogan
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However, the prosecution will focus on the length of time he kept the knee on the neck, the fact he was restrained and that he ignored others requests to lay him on his side.
The second part is going to be the key.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:35 am to the808bass
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was wrong based off what came from the ME.
The response was overly focused on the knee. The response that Floyd’s death was unnecessary and criminal was not wrong. It is appropriate.
The focus on the knee was the primary sensationalism used to get people upset. If the preliminary opinions on the knee are true it was not a direct strangulation it definitely changes the situation a good bit.
I am not disagreeing with you on the idea that the situation deserves intense scrutiny, criticism, and appropriate punishment. I disagree with the rioting and looting completely. I think national protesting is ridiculous as no one is disagreeing something needs to be done about this issue. I think local protesting is fair as that is their local elected government with the screw ups accountable for any broken system (outside of vandalism, arson, and looting).
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:35 am to the808bass
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The second part is going to be the key.
I don't know how people can read the preliminary ME report and think Chauvin comes off looking good.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:36 am to cssamerican
quote:Except the official report says Officer Chauvin pulled him back out of the car.
Once he decided he didn’t want to get in the car by their policy he was actively resisting.
Officer Chauvin also dismissed Officers Lane's concerns for Mr. Floyd's health.
Officer Chauvin also continued to apply pressure to Mr. Floyd's neck even after he was completely limp and no pulse could be found.
These facts can't easily be dismissed. Especially considering the police policies that have been shared on here.
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