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re: MPD policy allows knee to the neck restraint. Wow!
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:38 am to Powerman
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:38 am to Powerman
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Why was an ambulance called in the first place? He seemed to be healthy and walking around fine when he was first put in cuffs?
That is a great question. It sounds like when he refuse to enter the car he was complaining about not being able to breathe, so sounds like it was in response to that. But we won’t know until we see the transcripts of the call.
The police were wrong and Floyd’s family easily has a civil suit; however, it’s looking very likely that the officers were following Minneapolis PD policy and training, which will likely absolved them of criminal responsibility. The real enemy here his that the police were trained this way in the first place.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:39 am to Colonel Flagg
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I am not disagreeing with you on the idea that the situation deserves intense scrutiny, criticism, and appropriate punishment. I disagree with the rioting and looting completely. I think national protesting is ridiculous as no one is disagreeing something needs to be done about this issue. I think local protesting is fair as that is their local elected government with the screw ups accountable for any broken system (outside of vandalism, arson, and looting).
The looting and rioting is maddening. What are they protesting? The police officer is charged within several days of the incident. Mohammed Noor wasn’t charged (for shooting a white civilian who wasn’t a suspect in anything) and arrested in the same gotdamned town for 8 fricking months.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:40 am to cssamerican
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it’s looking very likely that the officers were following Minneapolis PD policy and training
No. They weren’t. Repeating it isn’t going to make it true.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:40 am to cssamerican
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however, it’s looking very likely that the officers were following Minneapolis PD policy and training
No they weren’t, you fricking idiot.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:40 am to Muleriderhog
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No I’m using the law. It also says in their policy it is only to be used briefly when a person is resisting. We have video proof that wasn’t happening.
frick off you dumbass.
No the dumb A is the one saying the officer will be convicted when there’s not a cause & manner of death established.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:41 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
Even if a neck restraint/chokehold is in their policy, I highly doubt it's allowed for them to continue well after the suspect has passed out cold. and I would say over two-and-a-half minutes after he passes out is extremely excessive. Definitely long enough to be able to kill somebody.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:41 am to the808bass
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The police officer is charged within several days of the incident. Mohammed Noor wasn’t charged (for shooting a white civilian who wasn’t a suspect in anything) and arrested in the same gotdamned town for 8 fricking months.
I honestly think the video had something to do with it. It was sort of surreal the way it all occurred. I don't think there was a video in Noor's case of the actual shooting, as conveniently both Noor and his partner turned off their body cameras.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:41 am to roadGator
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He didn’t have his hands in his pockets. He has on black gloves. There are multiple pictures from different angles that show him and the other officers wearing black gloves.
I don’t think you are lying on purpose.
I believe at one point he has his hands in his pockets
I really don't know if I want to watch the whole video again but if I'm wrong I'm wrong
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:41 am to OchoDedos
quote:Nah, once Floyd repeatedly said he couldn't breathe and Chauvin didn't release the pressure on his neck, the cop was in the wrong.
Sorry to burst your anti-cop crusade, but if it's in that manual the dude is walking,
quote:Only if it can be proven they were encouraging Chauvin to take his knee off of Floyd's neck and Chauvin ignored them. If they didn't do that, they were complicit in the death.
and those other officers are getting their jobs back.
The officer who appears somewhat blameless in this is the Hmong officer. He was mostly trying to control the surrounding crowd rather than subduing Floyd.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:42 am to Muleriderhog
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No they weren’t, you fricking idiot.
ah, so lucky to have an expert on the Minneapolis police handbook to drop by!
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:42 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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No the dumb A is the one saying the officer will be convicted when there’s not a cause & manner of death established.
There will be one by the trial. There’s really good hints as to what that is going to be in the ME’s note in the probable cause statement.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:42 am to the808bass
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Apparently every cop on this board is going to check in with a “so he was following policy” post.
That sort of tone deaf response is absolutely part of the problem.
Absolutely that's a huge part of the problem
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:43 am to LSURussian
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Only if it can be proven they were encouraging Chauvin to take his knee off of Floyd's neck and Chauvin ignored them. If they didn't do that, they were complicit in the death.
One of them, I think Officer Lane, did suggest moving Floyd to his side, and to which Chauvin refused.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:43 am to MeatCleaverWeaver
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No the dumb A is the one saying the officer will be convicted when there’s not a cause & manner of death established
Wow you’re fricking stupid. How can you watch that video and not come away with the fact that the pig killed him? It’s obvious he went against the policy (that you just so happened to leave off all of it). You’re a low IQ individual and a POS bootlicker. Go frick yourself.
This post was edited on 5/30/20 at 10:44 am
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:43 am to crazy4lsu
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honestly think the video had something to do with it. It was sort of surreal the way it all occurred.
Lol. It was because the cop was a black male and the victim was a white female. None of that works for any of our aggrieved citizen groups.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:46 am to gthog61
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ah, so lucky to have an expert on the Minneapolis police handbook to drop by!
Did you read the entire policy? He was not resisting and there is video proof of it.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:46 am to the808bass
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Lol. It was because the cop was a black male and the victim was a white female. None of that works for any of our aggrieved citizen groups.
If Floyd died, and there was no video, I don't think there would have been immediate protests. Or if the video was released months later. The racial angle is obviously true, but that doesn't explain why other recent deaths of black people by the MPD didn't provoke the same amount of outrage.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:48 am to crazy4lsu
It looks wrong. Mostly because it is wrong. But it also is just an awful thing to watch a guy die.
That sense of “this is wrong” is a powerful catalyst for action.
That sense of “this is wrong” is a powerful catalyst for action.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:49 am to LSURussian
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Nah, once Floyd repeatedly said he couldn't breathe and Chauvin didn't release the pressure on his neck, the cop was in the wrong.
It would be argued that is a common complaint heard all the time whenever a suspect is subdued.
Look, I think they acted incorrectly, and a man died. I’m just not sure how they get convicted. It appears they were trained incorrectly and it’s sounding like his death might have been a heart attack, we won’t know for sure until the full report is released. But if it was a heart attack it will be hard to prove neck pressure caused it, and he was trained to use that neck pressure by the police department.
Posted on 5/30/20 at 10:52 am to cssamerican
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The police were wrong and Floyd’s family easily has a civil suit; however, it’s looking very likely that the officers were following Minneapolis PD policy and training, which will likely absolved them of criminal responsibility.
Think of it this way: the policy also authorizes officers to use deadly force against suspects in certain circumstances. However, because they have that authority doesn't allow them to blast away when making a routine traffic stop.
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