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re: Listening to SCOTUS Birthright argument: WE ARE FRICKED
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:01 am to bhtigerfan
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:01 am to bhtigerfan
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I don’t give a frick what Wong Kim Ark says or frankly what you “think” the 14th Amendment says.
You will never convince me that the framers of the 14th meant that fricking Chinese tourists could drop a baby here while on “vacation” or an illegal immigrant can have a baby here after illegally entering the country and their fricking children automatically get US citizenship.
I subscribe to fricking common sense law, not “there was no such thing as illegal immigrants when the law was written and therefore we should let millions of fricking leeches become citizens” bullshite.
I think this sets wildly dangerous precedent for leftists to interpret the constitution however they feel is emotionally right rather than what it says. You don't have to like birth tourism to admit that the actual wording allows for noncitizens to birth citizens. How you wrote it is exactly how we end up litigating "common sense gun control," which we both know is bullshite. It's the Trump quote "sounds good, doesn't work."
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Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:02 am to Ailsa
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:02 am to bhtigerfan
Again, this is bar for bar the exact argument the left uses to weaken 2A.
It’s retarded.
It’s retarded.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:03 am to Covingtontiger77
"The left" strikes again! This time, "the left" went back in time and created a constitutional amendment and decades of precendent! Darn!
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:03 am to SammyTiger
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The fact that congress didn’t anticipate an issue with their law doesn’t change their lawZ they couldn’t have anticipated school shooting when they wrote the 2nd or a standing professional army with a 800 billion dollar budget or semiautomatic weapons or free slaves. But that amendment is still there as they intended it.
The original spirit and intent of the law MUST be inherently considered because that is the basis for the law itself.
If Congress wishes to expand that, they have the power to call a convention and add/subtract as necessary.
SCOTUS’ job is not to extrapolate the Constitution, it is to INTERPRET the Constitution.
Extrapolating the coverage and scope of the Constitution falls on Congress on behalf of the people.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:05 am to VoxDawg
And charge them for the trouble.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:05 am to TwoFace
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What would it take to get this on a ballot for a nationwide vote?
It would take Congress proposing a Constitutional amendment
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:05 am to TBoy
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Do we need to deport the Amish?
List all those Amish crimes comparable to the drudge we’ve allowed into the Country over the past 20 years
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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That concept was developed later by Congress
I understand and agree with people's issues with birthright citizenship, and what it encourages. I also think it needs to be closed, fully.
But this power resides with the do nothing shite pieces in Washington DC, both sides.
If they wanted this issue resolved, they'd pass legislation.
If people want change, force these idiots in Washington to do something about it.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:06 am to Powerman
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Can you explain how it impacts your life?
This isn’t a serious question.
Illegal migrants lower wages for unskilled workers (up to a 5% decrease for high school dropouts). Oddly enough, there are estimates of driving down the wages of native college graduates by 2%.
They drive up housing costs. They are free riders in our EMTALA healthcare system. Their children are free riders on our education system.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:07 am to Powerman
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Can you explain how it impacts your life?
Other than the rampant fraud and taxpayer $$ abuse?
And the list of American citizens that have lost lives to illegals?
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:08 am to bhtigerfan
quote:Same thing.
I don’t give a frick what Heller says or frankly what you “think” the 2nd Amendment says.
You will never convince me that the framers of the 2nd meant that fricking people could own assault rifles
I subscribe to fricking common sense law,
This post was edited on 4/1/26 at 11:08 am
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:10 am to DByrd2
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By having that work permit, he was subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.
You clearly have not read WKA
His "work permit" is irrelevant UNLESS he was a diplomat and you're referring to some sort of paperwork reflecting that.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:11 am to DByrd2
I’m not sure if you agree with me and are just expanding or what.
Interpreting the constitution to not grant citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants would be extrapolating.
And at the time we may not have had illegal immigrants but we had lots of immigrants and not everyone liked them. So they had to know those kids would be getting citizenship.
Interpreting the constitution to not grant citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants would be extrapolating.
And at the time we may not have had illegal immigrants but we had lots of immigrants and not everyone liked them. So they had to know those kids would be getting citizenship.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:12 am to Taxing Authority
quote:Does the 14th say “Shall not be infringed?”
I don’t give a frick what Heller says or frankly what you “think” the 2nd Amendment says.
You will never convince me that the framers of the 2nd meant that fricking people could own assault rifles
I subscribe to fricking common sense law,
Same thing.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:15 am to Covingtontiger77
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Not winning this
Pop a squat and make an “American” kid will remain
Country will continue to be bastardized by the Left.
If there wasn't a "no questioning of the justices" limitation placed on lawyers who are presenting this birthright citizenship challenge to the SCOTUS this hearing would be over in short order with one question to every justice.
"What was the original intent and purpose of the 14th amendment?"
If every justice had to honestly answer that ^^^ question the hearing would have already ended and birthright citizenship would also ended.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's the "they only intended the 2A to apply to muskets" nonsense
Sure, but we also have limits on the 2A. I can't own a full-auto M4A1.
What limits are on birthright citizenship? Somebody can step across the border, shite out a kid 5 minutes later, and that kid is an American citizen with no restrictions.
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:15 am to TBoy
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I'm sure the lawyers would tell you that everyone has to pay their legal bills, whether they are here legally or not.
Yeah illegals never get any type of government provided legal services or translators for free during their immigration process
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:18 am to Nurbis
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What limits are on birthright citizenship?
As far as I can tell, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"
Posted on 4/1/26 at 11:19 am to tide06
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he people setting the agenda on the left are globalists who need the US destroyed
Not the left. Both sides. They are the puppets of money and corruption. The "parties" are just theater so you don't watch what the other hand is doing and instead focus your hate on people with no power whatsoever.
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