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Oh. I just call that common sense.


I would add a corollary: if a news report sounds outrageous, it probably is. Maybe do a little more research before getting upset. And definitely do more research before posting a link on a message board.
You clearly dont know what leadership is.

You believe the great deal maker and negotiator, who resolves conflicts all over the world, even getting Arab nations to sign peace deals with Israel, cannot convince the American people to support his military plan?

He wouldnt have to convince all of the crazy libs, just enough to give him the political clout he needs.

He should have at least tried
A "true leader" would have gotten Congress and the American public on his side before starting this mess.

Even W knew that if the war you want to start is unpopular, then you put in a little work to make it popular.

A "true leader" would accomplish this, even without revealing sensitive intel, or compromising any strategic advantage we may have had.

And, then, he would be the Commander in Chief conducting a politically supported military operation, and wouldnt have to worry so much about being second-guessed, or people whining about the costs.
You know what would REALLY make him look unhinged?

Just nuke 'em. Show them what one of those "nucular" bombs they wanted to build can actually do.

Problem solved with one push of a button. We would never again have to worry about Iran getting their own bomb, or doing anything else.

Then we will all just faithfully regurgitate the talking points of how necessary it was.
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Assuming you feel that way about the nature of our constitution, you should logically be in favor of removing all restrictions/infringements on the 2nd amendment as well, correct?


I fully support the Second and I agree with removing unlawful restrictions on it.

What many 2A proponents dont understand, though, is there were limits on the "right to bear arms" when the Constitution was written.

The "Right to Bear Arms" was established in England in 1689. Over the next 200 years, it was litigated, debated and morphed into a common law right. It had restrictions that had already long been recognized, and those restrictions are inherent in the right protected by the 2A.

Now, additional restrictions would be considered an infringement. But laws that merely help define the inherent limits are not an ifringement.

But, obviously, the limits and definitions are open to robust debate.
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But "immigration" was not on the minds of the politicians who passed the 14th amendment. It was about post-slavery America.


Immigration WAS on their minds. The primary intent was to address people born as slaves, but the language intentionally includes the children of immigrants. This was fully debated on the Senate floor during adoption of the 14th Amendment.

And most Senators believed they were just stating the common law as everyone understood it.
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This^^^ came later, the original impetus behind the 14th amendment was to give freed black Americans US citizenship.


Im not sure what you mean by "later".

Of course, the impetus of the first sentence of the 14th Amendment was the Dred Scott decision, which denied citizenship to people who were born as slaves.

But the debate I referenced took place when Congress was voting on the 14th Amendment, before it was ever submitted to the States.

The language was intended to encompass the children of immigrants. Whether they were Chinese, gypsies, or "cannibals from Borneo".
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My argument around the Constitution is that even if you ignore or support whatever you believe the founder's "intent" was for a law - you have to ask the question of whether the law still makes sense in today's world.


The Constitution is not a "nose of wax" to be molded to fit whatever you think the Constitution "should" say. We are stuck with what it says, and if it no longer makes sense it needs to be amended.

We are a nation of laws. Whether we are talking about the Constitution or statutory laws, we are stuck with the words in those laws. You dont get to change them just because they no longer make sense...you go through an amendment process instead.

I know, it seems like SCOTUS has changed the meaning of the Constitution over time, but they are still stuck with the words that are written
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We will never see another constitutional amendment.


Not with that attitude we won't!!!

The current political division in our country make a constitutional amendment seem unlikely. But I have great faith in our nation being able to pull together when the time requires.

You never know what will happen in yhe future, but I find it harmed to believe this political stalemate will last forever.
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The 14th amendment was never intended to allow for mass illegal immigration and the occupation of the US. The Constitution and the various amendments were truly drafted for a moral and decent citizenry


The 14th Amendment was intentionally drafted to recognize citizenship for the children of immigrants. The Congressional debate expressly confirmed the children of the Chinese immigrants flooding California should be citizens.

Now, this idea of people coming to the US just to have children and then moving back to their homeland probably wasn't given much thought, since such travel wouldnt have made much sense back then.....but here we are.
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The executive has been legally circumventing them on matters of foreign intervention my entire life.


Not really.

The executive has just been taking a broad interpretation of the authority Congress has granted it. If their action was within the bounds of Congressional authorization, then they didnt circumvent Congress. If the executive went too far, then it was illegal.

The problem is, only Congress can stop the illegal circumvention, and they never seem interested in doing that.
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Congress is the least competent element of our government


Congress' incompetence is no excuse to illegally circumvent them.
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So even if the majority of Americans support it, our unreliable crooked arse congress will never put it to a true vote.


As posters on this board are quick to remind us, we dont live in a Democracy.
The Congressional record is very clear that birthright citizenship was intended to apply to the children of immigrants. One Senator objected to the proposed clause, arguing the language would grant citizenship to the children of the Chinese people who were moving in to California. Other Senators said he was right, it would grant them citizenship, and that they fully intended those children to be citizens.

The belief was that the language matched the common law as it was understood at the time: if you are born here, you are a citizen.

Since that time, congress has passed immigration laws and created a class of people who have entered or remained in the country illegally.

The question before the court is whether those immigration laws are capable of denying citizenship to children born here, even though the 14th Amendment expressly grants them citizenship.

I dont see how a law can amend the meaning of the Constitution. It just doesn't work that way.

Anchor babies suck, but we cannot just wish them away. There has to be a legal avenue to change their status, and the most direct avenue is a Constitutional Amendment.

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What would it take to get this on a ballot for a nationwide vote?


It would take Congress proposing a Constitutional amendment
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I’ll trust that Trump and the pentagon know what they’re doing.


Thats a bold strategy, Cotton. But its an easy way to just reassure yourself that, no matter the circumstances, it will be the right move.
Trump should go to Congress and let them vote on it.

But, since that isnt going to happen, he should probably declare victory and be done with the whole thing.

None of us have any first hand knowledge of Iran's nuclear ambitions, or the possibility of them ever developing a nuclear weapon.

Trump.can just assure us all is well, throw a parade, and move on to the next crisis.
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And then we need proof that immigrants are being used to rig elections.


Good luck with that.

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Say what you will, but the man has crazy energy.


How much energy do you thinkmit takes to sit on a bench and listen to people talk for an hour? I do it almost every Sunday. Granted, I dont address the nation in the evening, but I could if anyone were interested.