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So, since Trump can levy tariffs (taxes to you) and taxes can be backdated, then where is the problem?


I missed this and did not include it with my earlier response.

So,yes, SOME taxes can be backdated, but there are limits. Backdating Incime taxes is usually limited to the calendar year, and other taxes are limited to the day the legislation was introduced. I'm not sure if tariffs can ever be backdated.

However, the problem with the tariffs Trump imposed under section 122 is they have a time limit of 150 days. If you backdate them, they will expire.

Also, the rates of these new tariffs are different from the IEEPA tariffs, so the US still might owe refunds.
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The tariffs were not ruled illegal, only that Trump quoted the wrong law


Stop listening to people in the administration try to explain the ruling. The SCOTUS opinion ruled POTUS did not have the legal authority to impose the "Liberation Day" (reciprocal) tariffs, or the tariffs purportedly related to fentanyl imports.

I heard Secretary Bessent say the SCOTUS opinion did not invalidate the tariffs. That is false. The SCOTUS opinion expressly affirmed the Federal Circuit opinion in the case. The Federal Circuit expressly affirmed the opinion of the CIT, while remanding for further consideration of the injunction entered.

The CIT ruled unequivocally the tariffs were illegal, and vacated every excutive order regarding the tariffs (yes, Federal courts have the authority to vacate executive orders the court finds unconstitutional).

As I posted above, POTUS has other statutes he can rely on to Impose tariffs, but not the same type of tariffs he tried to impose under IEEPA.

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I believe the issue wasn’t the illegality of the tariff as much as the rationale for charging the tariffs.


Way too simplistic a way to look at this.

Congress has indeed given POTUS the power to impose some tariffs under specific rules. There are various statutes giving POTUS tariff power, but each statute comes with its own set of rules.

For the first set of tariffs, Trump did not follow those rules, so the tariffs he imposed were illegal and ceased to be collected as of this morning.

Remember the "Liberation Day" tariffs, when Trump announced a variety of illogical and high tariffs on every nation in the world, and the markets tanked as a reaction, so Trump paused the tariffs to let everyone take a beat? That was all way beyond his legal authority, as well as the tariff rates he ultimately landed on.

Now, he didnt just change his rationale. He has enacted new tariffs, effective as of this morning, purporting to exercise his limited authority under section 122 of the Trade Act. The highest rate he can impose under that statute is 15%, and he has maxed that out except for the countries he already had an executive deal with, including Canada and Mexico. But these are completely new tariffs.

The thing about these new tariffs are, 1) They are only valid for 150 days unless approved by Congress, and 2) they are also probably illegal because of the way he is applying them, and also not applying them.

His next move will be tariffs under section 301, which gives him really broad authority, but only after the US Trade Representative provides a detailed report showing unjustifiable, unreasonable, or discriminatory trade practices by each targeted foreign country. I have no doubt Trump will receive the reports he needs, but until those investigations are completed he cannot use section 301.

This isnt just a matter of saying "oh, wait, I meant to use this other statute". There are conditions to be met and rules to follow.

So, yes, the tariffs enacted under the IEEPA were illegal, and are no longer in effect.
Not to defend Bernie, but he wasn't claiming the world would end in 6 years. He was claiming we would reach the point of no return, so that climate change would become irreversible.

And, seriously, maybe we have reached that point. There is no way to know right now. As our planet continues to warm from greenhouse gasses, the heat will cause the oceans to release more greenhouse gasses, which will warm the Earth more, causing the oceans to release more, etc., etc. Eventually, it won't matter whether man made greenhouse gases are added to the atmosphere or not, and perhaps it never did.

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but a faction of the Court is hyper-partisan and only shows up when their team leader occupies the White House.


Thats not true at all. Some Justices almost never attend (Alito, Thomas, Jackson), some Justices almost always attend (Roberts, Sotomayor, Kavanaugh, Kagan) while Gorsuch and Barrett have so far attended sporadically. There doesn't appear to be a pattern based on the party of the POTUS.
These tarrifs under section 122 are also likely illegal. But they will expire in 150 days, which is faster than the Court can strike them down, anyway.

The statute allows POTUS to enact a tarrif of up to 15% to address "balance of payment" deficits. BOP deficits are not the same as trade deficits. In measuring BOP, trade deficits are offset by foreign money flowing back into the US. Economists are currently falling all over themselves to figure out what any of this means, but it seems unlikely we really have any serious BOP issues at this time.

But dont worry, tariff fans....by the time the 150 days are up, Trump will no doubt have received the financial reports necessary to invoke section 301, which gives him plenty of tariff power.

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Thomas, Cavanaugh and Alito may show


Alito has not attended a SOTU since 2010. Thomas hasn't been since 2006, saying the addresses are very uncomfortable to attend. But, yeah, maybe they attend this year so that Trump can say nice things about them.

Roberts will almost certainly attend, even though he says its just a political pep rally.

The three Democrats will probably attend or boycott based on what the Democrats in congress decide makes the best statement.

Trump just called Barrett and Gorsuch fools and lapdogs and an embarrassment to their families. That would make me want to attend, but maybe they will stay home.
SCOTUS opinion merely upheld the ruling from the Federal Circuit. The Federal Circuit confirmed the court of International Trade decision that the tariffs were illegal, but removed the injunction against the tariffs and remanded the case back to the CIT to reconsider the appropriate remedy.

So, im not sure how long it will take, but this lands back in the CIT to decide what to do now that the tariffs were illegal.

It seems certain the actual plaintiffs will get yheir money back.

Hopefully, the DOJ will show up with a reasonable plan for how to treat other importers, such as means to apply for refunds or future credits. Maybe they will just declare that refunds would be un-American and fight that all the way back to SCOTUS.
So, you're saying we should be in favor of our government providing a free digital ID system linked to the World Bank and the UN?

UM...no, thank you.

There really is nothing inherently racist or biased in requiring photo IDs to vote. That is, until you start making it harder for certain groups to obtain those IDs.

Take Alabama (please). They implemented a new voter ID law, then they started closing DMV offices in the poorest counties. So, people with no money have to find a way to travel one or two counties over just to get or renew their ID. If they cant accomplish that, then they cant vote.

Seems like this battle was already fought over 60 years ago.
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Decision makers familiar with the voting and counting process anticipated fraud was highly possible, unless procedures were put in place to prevent it.


The procedures for signing yhe tapes are just to ensure the electronic vote tallies accurate, not to prevent fraud. Since there were multiple hand recounts of the paper ballots, the electronic tallies are kind of moot. If there had been some huge discrepancy between the original electronic totals and the hand recount totals, then there would be an issue.
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GA Code § 21-2-386 A-1-c



That statute is for absentee votes. The recent admission from Fulton County relates to early in person voting, so that statute clearly does not apply.

I realize there are also issues with mail in ballots, but try to keep the issues straight.
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What about this:


What you quoted has absolutely nothing to do with the hand recount of the paper record.

The daily tabulations for early in person voting were not properly authenticated. But the totals all matched up and were verified in multiple hand recounts.


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Right. It’s just a “clerical error”


Call it whatever you want. The error here involved the tabulation of the ballots, not the ballots themselves.

This current story is about early, in person voting. No one is claiming the votes themselves were improper. The tabulation of the votes were not properly authenticated.

Fortunately, in Georgia, the electronic voting machines produce a paper record that the voter double checks before putting that record in a secure box. Multiple hand recounts of the paper records have confirmed the Fulton County vote tabulation was accurate.

Potentially fraudulent mail in votes or whatever are not part of this current story.

No laws were broken, but the poll workers failed to follow proper procedure, and Fulton County is likely to face substantial fines.

But this particular story is not the election fraud bombshell people are hoping for.
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Counting 315k illegal ballots that were counted the first time, and subsequently recounting and recounting the same fraudulent ballots doesn’t change anything.


You really don't understand what this is about. This story does not involve fraudulent ballots
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There were definitely some shady actors involved in the 2020 election that had agendas and manipulated the system


I think there was mostly simple incompetence. Our election system has been sloppy and haphazard forever, but elections usually are not close enough for the incompetence to matter. Most of the highly contentious, razor thin margin elections are local, and dont result in massive changes to the system.

The 2000 election revealed the flaws in our system, along with the surprising revelation that it is virtually impossible to accurately count a couple million votes, even using computers.

While Florida was being embarrassed nationally, other states were looking at their own voting systems and realizing changes needed to be made. We still haven't eliminated the flaws, though.

The 2000 election caused Georgia to make massive election changes, including the shift to computerized voting machines. Bush won Georgia easily in 2000, but they realized the statistics in their voting results looked way worse than Florida's.
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They’ve got a word for someone seizing power without an election and that word is not President


I was talking about succession. So, if a two term President was serving as, say, Speaker of the House, and some series of events caused the Presidency and Vice Presidency to be vacant, then the 22nd Amendment would not prevent the Speaker from taking the seat.

I wasn't advocating for a two term President to just declare an emergency or anything like that.
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I just provided statistical evidence and I'm not going to listen to a video explaining your point for you.


You provided a drawing, based on no data or anything.
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"By two terms, does the 22nd mean limiting to two total terms, or limiting to two consecutive terms?"


You should probably read the 22nd Amenment before trying to comment on it. It doesn't say anything about serving "two terms".

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice"

The Amendment intentionally leaves room for a two term President to serve again in an emergency situation, they just can't be elected again.

However, there is no ambiguity regarding consecutive terms or whatever. One cannot be elected more than twice.
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I know I damn sure could not and would not ever sit by and watch either of my children live homeless.


I can only assume you have never dealt with drug addiction in your family.

It sucks...it really, really sucks...but eventually the parents of drug addicts all figure out the best thing they can do for their addicted child is nothing at all. Let them live on the street, doing unthinkable things, until they realize they need help with their addiction.

You can send them for treatment all you want, but nothing works until they want help.