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re: Income taxes should be higher.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 12:20 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 7/26/26 at 12:20 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:he'll.
The entire income tax structure of America needs to be erased and replaced with a single tax: the land value tax (Georgist tax)
Tie that to a voting requirement and I'm down. No rentals. Mortgage (and up to date on payments) or owned.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 12:24 am to omegaman66
I get your argument about what "could" happen and it has some merits. The data suggests that in aggregate the people with more money do in fact spend quite a bit of it.
The top 10% of incomes account for 49% of all spending
I think a hybrid system works best. Keep food and medicine exempt from a federal retail sales tax. Keep large purchases like cars and property still exempt. I would keep investments like stock purchases exempt as well.
Have an income tax that doesn't kick in until you're above the median income so you have a durable tax revenue base to offset the risk of this scenario where there are a bunch of high income penny pinchers out there. Leave capital gains taxes unchanged from where they are currently.
This system would allow the lower middle class to get ahead and they would actually be contributing more to the sales tax base.
The top 10% of incomes account for 49% of all spending
I think a hybrid system works best. Keep food and medicine exempt from a federal retail sales tax. Keep large purchases like cars and property still exempt. I would keep investments like stock purchases exempt as well.
Have an income tax that doesn't kick in until you're above the median income so you have a durable tax revenue base to offset the risk of this scenario where there are a bunch of high income penny pinchers out there. Leave capital gains taxes unchanged from where they are currently.
This system would allow the lower middle class to get ahead and they would actually be contributing more to the sales tax base.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 12:47 am to Powerman
I am not saying they don't spend it. I am saying they don't have to spend it. And when times get tough they have the ability to hold on to it and not spend it. They could in theory do this for decades. Not saying a significant portion would do that. But in bad times they might save more and spend less and they have the ability to make a slowdown in the economy even worse.
It is human nature to not spend a ton of money on frivolous stuff like they normally do if their business is taking a hit.
It is human nature to not spend a ton of money on frivolous stuff like they normally do if their business is taking a hit.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 12:50 am to Ag Zwin
There should be no income tax whatsoever. No property taxes. No capital gains taxes. Consumption taxes only. That’ll take care of those living off the labor of others.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 1:05 am to Ag Zwin
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The 50% of the country that effectively pays nothing should pay at least 15%.
That is for sure.
"Everyone needs to pay their fair share."
Posted on 7/26/26 at 1:22 am to omegaman66
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It is human nature to not spend a ton of money on frivolous stuff like they normally do if their business is taking a hit.
That would seem intuitive
The data however does not support this idea
Posted on 7/26/26 at 5:04 am to Ag Zwin
Id vote for a value added tax, its similar to a national sales tax. You would capture the half that dont pay taxes and the 10s of millions of illegals as well.
When liberals scream you are taxing the poor................ask them why everyone in Los Angeles county pays 9.75% from state and county taxes?
And in NYC its 8.875%?
They would argue against it because they would feel you are cutting into the taxes they are charging the poor already.
When liberals scream you are taxing the poor................ask them why everyone in Los Angeles county pays 9.75% from state and county taxes?
And in NYC its 8.875%?
They would argue against it because they would feel you are cutting into the taxes they are charging the poor already.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 5:35 am to 844_Tiger
Then lets tax the people that went to college a higher rate so that it would pay for those that want to attend college.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 5:37 am to deltaland
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supplies and equipment for businesses
Wouldn't everybody just start a home business and deduct everything they buy?
This post was edited on 7/26/26 at 5:39 am
Posted on 7/26/26 at 6:06 am to omegaman66
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Flat tax is the best way.
Not as good as The Fair Tax.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 6:17 am to Boss
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Consumption tax would need to be 30%+.
Most studies that I have read say the added consumption tax would be 14-17%, not 30%. Also, the Fair Tax plan includes no consumption taxes added to used houses, not newly constructed houses. Even if prices did increase on goods, wouldn't it be great to eliminate payroll taxes and income taxes?
Posted on 7/26/26 at 6:27 am to nealnan8
The US spends about 6 trillion on goods and 14 trillion on services. If you tax both the you could have 15% tax and be ok. If you just tax goods then it need to be almost 50%.
I’d be all for 15% tax. My tax bill would go way down.
I’d be all for 15% tax. My tax bill would go way down.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 6:59 am to omegaman66
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I am not saying they don't spend it. I am saying they don't have to spend it. And when times get tough they have the ability to hold on to it and not spend it.
You have really been taking some deep bong hits lately.
how do you propose that wealthy people don't have to spend money when times are tough, but poorer folks do? You do realize that everyone has to eat, everyone has a mortgage or rent to pay, everyone has utility bills. . .
Are you telling me that wealthy people can just quit eating, quit purchasing clothing, quit spending money any time they feel like it? Do you think they can eat dirt? What kind of reasoning that makes you think wealthy people don't have to spend money?
Posted on 7/26/26 at 7:00 am to Boss
Everyone pays taxes. That’s a cold hearted reality.
The myth from the left and right is exactly that……….a myth.
The myth from the left and right is exactly that……….a myth.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 7:06 am to deltaland
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The sales tax should be higher on luxury goods and things like junk food and vices and lower on necessities, healthy food, and supplies and equipment for businesses.
Yes, let's give congress the power to pick & choose what products are taxed. They totally won't be bought out by Sysco & every other large company (because small ones will be fricked) who wants to control the competition.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 7:15 am to Ag Zwin
Everyone pays $5k ... each man, woman, child.
Everyone has to go in person to the closest IRS field office and write a check on or before Apr 15.
If you don't pay by Apr 15, you get deported and assets seized.
Think we would have a tax revolt then maybe?
Everyone has to go in person to the closest IRS field office and write a check on or before Apr 15.
If you don't pay by Apr 15, you get deported and assets seized.
Think we would have a tax revolt then maybe?
Posted on 7/26/26 at 7:24 am to Ag Zwin
The World War ‘Covid’ spending increases ($4.5T to $7T) will never be scaled back barring a complete economic collapse(by which case it won’t matter). Any politician talking about fiscal responsibility is officially full of shite. Interest alone is $1T per year (~20% of revenue) and can only increase.
There are no more reasonable ‘confiscatory schemes’ to ever pay the debt, as there will never be a balanced budget in our lifetime. The deficit is presently >$1T year over year and yet there is constant craving of massive discretionary spending.
There is no taxing our way out of this. We can elect 540 new fiscal hawks and it still will not change the trajectory much.
There are no more reasonable ‘confiscatory schemes’ to ever pay the debt, as there will never be a balanced budget in our lifetime. The deficit is presently >$1T year over year and yet there is constant craving of massive discretionary spending.
There is no taxing our way out of this. We can elect 540 new fiscal hawks and it still will not change the trajectory much.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 7:56 am to Flats
Regardless of the tax system, at some point people in political positions (from presidents to governors to mayors to judges to superintendents) are going to have to be willing to tell people the following things:
1. “No.”
2. “Get a job.”
3. “You shouldn’t have done that and there are consequences.”
4. “You can’t come here” or “You have to leave.”
We have too many criminals and freeloaders with politicians letting them get away with it all to keep their votes and maintain power, and we have too many liberals (especially women) who have spent too many years in comfort and lack a healthy fear of the outside world.
1. “No.”
2. “Get a job.”
3. “You shouldn’t have done that and there are consequences.”
4. “You can’t come here” or “You have to leave.”
We have too many criminals and freeloaders with politicians letting them get away with it all to keep their votes and maintain power, and we have too many liberals (especially women) who have spent too many years in comfort and lack a healthy fear of the outside world.
This post was edited on 7/26/26 at 7:57 am
Posted on 7/26/26 at 9:24 am to FATBOY TIGER
You people still think we should pay income taxes?
We are taxed thru our asses and the amount of money thrown away by the idiots in Washington is ginormous!!
How about Washington goes on a fricking diet first!!
Oh and while we are at it get rid of property taxes and tax gains!!
We are taxed thru our asses and the amount of money thrown away by the idiots in Washington is ginormous!!
How about Washington goes on a fricking diet first!!
Oh and while we are at it get rid of property taxes and tax gains!!
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