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Globetrotter747
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re: If there is no heaven or hell, does the purpose & meaning of your life change?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/30/26 at 3:15 pm to Cockopotamus
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What are the morals that “conscience” is based on?
Christianity is so embedded in Western culture that people don’t realize that when they say things like this they’re really referring to Christian morales. Typically the Sermon on the Mount.
1. Morals are just a complex extension of us being social animals and needing to work together for our benefit as a species. Even insect species can organize themselves socially.
2. What good comes from religion still comes from people. Many people have taken inspiration from Rocky Balboa and Andy Dufresne, but that doesn’t make them real people or their words and actions divine.
re: If there is no heaven or hell, does the purpose & meaning of your life change?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/30/26 at 2:51 pm to Cockopotamus
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Yea, because the attempt to do this to Christianity in the West is going swimmingly
The 21st century is Disney World compared to previous centuries. If being civil were entirely based on religions centuries to millennia old, we would have turned some corners sooner, yeah?
I especially would love to live in a world without Islam.
re: If there is no heaven or hell, does the purpose & meaning of your life change?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/30/26 at 1:15 pm to Cycledude
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At the least it’s the best way to keep the world civilized.
Hardly.
Take away police officers and prisons and lean on the teachings of religion with only the “possibility” of consequences after death and let’s how civilized the world is.
Maybe there’s a Hell, but there’s definitely an Angola.
If it were proven (somehow) that all religion is bullshite, people would get over it. And after a couple of generations of people being born and raised without it, no one would care anymore.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/30/26 at 12:36 pm to GentleJackJones
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The 90’s were a great time for parity in college football.
That’s because the top teams hoarded less of the talent:
This is the draft results for the final AP Top Ten from 1990-1999:
First Round / Top 100 / Total (Top 10)
1990: 9 / 25 / 46 (4)
1991: 6 / 20 / 38 (3)
1992: 12 / 33 / 47 (6)
1993: 9 / 24 / 47 (3)
1994: 12 / 29 / 58 (5)
1995: 4 / 14 / 36 (2)
1996: 11 / 30 / 52 (6)
1997: 17 / 34 / 52 (7)
1998: 9 / 24 / 46 (2)
1999: 12 / 33 / 53 (4)
And every season starting with 2019:
2019: 20 / 45 / 72 (9)
2020: 12 / 33 / 60 (4)
2021: 13 / 32 / 64 (5)
2022: 13 / 34 / 59 (6)
2023: 15 / 45 / 83 (5)
2024: 16 / 33 / 69 (3)
2025: 18 / 47 / 80 (7)
Top ten teams in recent seasons are getting about 50% more NFL level talent on average than in the ‘90s. The difference is even greater in the last few years with 80+ selections. That more than doubles some years in the ‘90s.
Fewer studs are being passed around to everyone.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/30/26 at 9:26 am to Paul Allen
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In the SEC. Yes. Nationally, no
I feel like someone said, “One World Trade Center is the tallest building in the world.”
And I said, “No, it’s the Burj Khalifa.”
And then it was said, “Well, the Burj Khalifa may be the tallest building in the world, but One World Trade Center is the tallest in the United States. You’re just a hater.”
*Face palm.”
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/30/26 at 7:52 am to RollTide1987
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Why should I have feared Florida State as an Alabama fan in the 1990s?
Because we’re obviously talking national level football, not any one program or conference’s bogeyman.
UF did not have the most successful program of the ‘90s nor did they have a reputation for knocking opponents around physically.
I like to give detailed reasons for why I believe what I do, and that often requires criticism of teams, players, and coaches that are otherwise quite good - just not flawless.
UF had a great program in the ‘90s, but were they the most feared program in the nation during that era?
Negative.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/29/26 at 7:28 pm to RollTide1987
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Florida State wasn't as scary because they weren't in our conference.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/29/26 at 4:40 pm to RollTide1987
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I'm talking about the SEC.
Not sure why. The original statement referred to the national level.
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Florida held teams to under 100ypg rushing in a season 6 times in the 1990s playing in the SEC. FSU, a team he lauds as a true elite did it 7 times vs ACC competition.
Was Florida a more successful or “feared” program than FSU in the ‘90s?
Can I get a yes or no on that and the reasons?
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/29/26 at 3:58 pm to WG_Dawg
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Losing to literally the greatest CFB team that's ever been fielded in the history of the sport in one game,
I completely disagree with this.
And they didn’t just lose. They played like shite, which wasn’t uncommon against good backs in the Spurrier era - especially outside the Stoops years.
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and in a second game getting torched by the Doak Walker award runner up on a team that was 15 minutes away from playing for a national title....make UF soft?
When you’re giving up 200+ yards, yes.
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People: Florida was scary as hell under spurrier. They were a team to be feared and were liable to kick your arse
“People who witnessed that era can tell you nobody was more feared in college football.”
Is that true?
“Florida under spurrier had the same aura around them as saban's bama teams.”
And is that true?
Yes or no?
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Most people who were alive in the 90s will tell you that the Gators were the scariest program in the Southeastern Conference during that period.
Are we talking about the SEC or national level because I’m under the impression it’s the latter.
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His points about being soft because of a two game sample size,
Well, we have discussed the Fiesta Bowl and 2001 UT. Have we discussed Jerome Bettis in the Sugar Bowl?
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not being scary because they passed more than they ran, or any of the others are just silly
All else being equal, a team that’s going to line up and shove it down your throat on O and hit you on D is more dreadful to play than one that’s going to outscore you 7–on-7 style.
Am I wrong?
re: Why couldn’t tom Osborne win a title until 1994?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/29/26 at 3:15 pm to Great Plains Drifter
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As someone already mentioned, Bobby Bowden hosted some Husker staff during an off-season and was gracious but pointed in his assessment / recommendation that Nebraska needed to focus on emphasizing speed to their defense.
The lack of balance on offense was a more significant issue than defense.
1. During the last five years Switzer was at OU (1984-1988), Nebraska was 1-4 against him and scored 7, 17, 7, 7, and 7.
2. During Nebraska’s seven game from bowl losing streak (1987-1993), Nebraska scored 28, 3, 17, 21, 0, 14, 16.
3. OU (while dominant against Nebraska) had its own problems in the twilight years of the wishbone. From 1985-1987, the Sooners were 33-0 against everyone but Miami - who they were 0-3 against and scored 14, 16, 14.
(Keep in mind that during this time both OU and Nebraska were frequently hanging 50+ on Big 8 competition.)
So what was the problem and what changed in the mid ‘90s?
Problem: Nebraska was one-dimensional offensively, and OU, FSU, and Miami commonly lined up future CFB/NFL Hall of Famers on D to stuff their running game. They also could score offensively.
Solution: A combination of better players (overall), bowl ties, and a lull in competition well suited to the Nebraska style. OU was in the Mariana Trench, they didn’t have to play Penn State (1994) or Michigan (1997), and only faced FSU/Miami once (and without a QB).
The formula for beating Nebraska was matching them in the trenches combined with a balanced offense. FSU and Miami generally had this makeup, and that’s why they dominated.
When OU and Miami resurged around 2000, the Huskers faded into obscurity. All-Pros like Ed Reed and Roy Williams running the alley made the option game more challenging than in the mid ‘90s. The inclusion of Texas when the Big 8 expanded to the Big 12 didn’t help either.
re: Legendary SEC coaches that never won the big one.
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/29/26 at 12:39 pm to cajunbama
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None of these guys are close to legendary
I think Pat Dye had a great career and a legacy at Auburn that goes beyond his accomplishments on paper.
He snapped Bryant’s nine game winning streak against Auburn and turned the tables on the rivalry. He won/shared several SEC titles and had teams that were nationally relevant. He coached Bo. He was instrumental in getting the Iron Bowl to JHS, which was a big deal at the time.
I would also consider him very much an “Auburn Man” and not just a hired gun like most coaches today.
He may not have his own wing in the Hall of Fame, but he’s in there and had an enormous impact on Auburn and SEC football.
Yes, he’s a legend.
re: How do you guys handle hard times?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/29/26 at 6:33 am to Uga Alum
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How do you guys handle hard times?
The biggest thing is not allowing your problems to multiply due to a poor mindset because they absolutely will do so if you let them.
For example, let’s say John Doe gets laid off on Friday afternoon. He’s understandably down about it and goes to the bar that night to have some drinks and waste away. He leaves and gets pulled over and gets charged with a DUI (or whatever it’s called nowadays). Now he has two problems instead of one entirely because he let the first problem affect his mental state.
Beyond that, I think working out is one of the best things anyone can do in their spare time at any age. It makes you look better, feel better, and helps build discipline, consistency, and confidence that positively influences other parts of your life.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/29/26 at 5:40 am to shreveport_gator
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Might want to ask Joey Kent
Never fails that people want to point out exceptions to the rule. “Yeah, I have a second cousin who went to Vegas and won $1,000 playing roulette. The casino ain’t got no advantage.”
These two things are true:
1. Florida was not the most feared program in the country in the ‘90s.
2. The program (while great) had a softness to it that led to some embarrassing and head scratching moments.
In UF’s two most critical games outside the 1996 season (1995 Nebraska and 2001 UT) they gave up legendary performances on the ground to Tommie Frazier, Lawrence Phillips, and Travis Stephens.
Giving up hundreds of yards on the ground is more emasculating than getting torched through the air. All else being equal, teams that add injury to insult by physically kicking your arse tend to be more feared on the field.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/28/26 at 1:30 pm to Jim Hopper
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A better question is why Bobby Bowden didn’t have at least two more titles? Field goal kickers?
I think if you reshuffled the deck and played the 1987-2000 seasons all over again, I think the odds are better that FSU wins 3-4 rather than 0-1.
For starters, 1999 is about as undisputed as it gets. They were wire-to-wire #1 and clearly the best team, so that one is on very solid ground.
But going back to…
1987: I don’t think they were better than Miami (and maybe not OU) but with a turnover or big play at the right time they easily could have beaten both teams.
Best team? No. Variable title? Decent chance.
1988: Not quite there.
Best team? No. Variable title? Pretty low.
1989: Very well might have been the best team at the end of season. Beat the hell out of Miami and Nebraska after a slow start.
Best team? Maybe. Variable title? Possibly.
1990: Crazy season. Probably more teams than usual that could have won it that year.
Best team? Probably not. Variable title? Low possibility.
1991: I think if they make a FG and beat Miami that the momentum would have carried them through UF and they go on to beat Nebraska in the Orange Bowl. I think Washington was the best team that year, though, but it wouldn’t have mattered because of bowl ties. Bobby gets at least a split with UW if they go undefeated.
Best team? No. Variable title? Good chance.
1992: If FSU had made a FG and tied Miami and gotten the nod in the Sugar Bowl against Bama, I think they would have played better than Miami did that night. FSU was playing some good ball at the end of the regular season. Probably better than Bama.
Ten split home and home games against Bama starting in December, I might lean FSU because they were better offensively and still pretty damn good on D with Marvin Jones and Derrick Brooks. One game in the Sugar Bowl (specifically) with a month of prep and build up, I would lean Bama.
Best team? Arguably. Variable title? Maybe.
1993: Won it. Probably the best team overall in spite of the ND loss and not playing particularly well in the Orange Bowl against Nebraska. Very lucky regarding the BC upset.
Best team: Probably. Variable loss: Good chance.
1994: Nah.
Best team? No. Variable title? Unlikely.
1995: Nah.
Best team? No. Variable title? Low.
1996: Some bad luck after the UF regular season win. Had Nebraska not wet the bed against Texas, I think FSU would have matched up better against the Huskers and been in a better frame of mind than having to play UF in a rematch. Hard to beat a good team twice. But I think the right team won it in the end.
Best team? Close but not quite. Variable title? Good chance.
1997: fricked up against UF.
Best team? Arguably. Variable title? Possibly.
1998: Probably would have won it with a healthy Weinke.
Best team? Perhaps with Weinke. Variable title? Good chance.
1999: Won it. Clearly the best team.
Best team? Yes. Variable loss? Low.
2000: One of the best teams for sure but a notch below. Fortunate to get the nod over Miami, who I think was the best team at the end of the year.
Best team? No. Variable title? Maybe.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/28/26 at 8:59 am to Madking
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Florida played in the SEC, beat more ranked teams than Nebraska and blew FSU out in a national title game.
Nothing trumps these numbers:
1. FSU had a 7-4-1 advantage over Florida, and they played at least once every year. Apples to apples, FSU had the upper hand.
2. FSU won two natties and played for two more. UF won one natty and played for one more. FSU had the only undefeated season, and UF needed two forms of postseason help beyond their control to win their lone title.
3. FSU’s final average AP ranking was 2.9 to UF’s 6.6.
Florida over FSU in the ‘90s is stupid from both a success perspective and “fear” perspective.
Being a “feared team” isn’t just about beating Vandy or Wake Forest 50-0. It’s also about being competitive in every game you play. Florida had 12 losses of 10+ pts. in the ‘90s. FSU had 4. Florida had 6 losses of 20+ pts. FSU just had one.
FSU was also never physically embarrassed the way the Gators were against Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl and Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl.
Spurrier was a great coach with a great program at Florida, but there was an underlying softness to his style (especially when he didn’t have Stoops) that probably prevented him from winning multiple national titles.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/28/26 at 6:05 am to Madking
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All in the 90s
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Sorry you’re just wrong and again you bring zero evidence to support your claims.
FSU: 2 national titles and 7-4-1 record vs. the Gators.
Nebraska: 3 national titles and gave Florida one of the most embarrassing losses in the history of CFB in their lone matchup with the Gators.
Florida was not as successful as these programs or as intimidating.
Period.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/28/26 at 5:43 am to Madking
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They gave up 17.5ppg for the decade, (11th nationally). Miami, a team you said was way more intimidating and physical on D gave up 16.4, (8th). A 1.1ppg difference in a much weaker conference. You haven’t provided any facts to support the things you say.
Allow me to quote you: “People who witnessed that era can tell you nodody was more feared in college football.”
Not “Florida was feared” or “Florida was one of the most feared.” Florida was the most feared.
This is simply not true
re: Head coaching question
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/27/26 at 12:00 pm to Landmass
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What is more important for a modern day SEC head coach to be successful? Is it team management or is it Xs and Os?
It mostly just boils down to talent - however it’s acquired.
A lot of so-called mediocre coaches have won national titles and Super Bowls. Not too many mediocre rosters have, though.
Only two coaches have won a national title at more than one program. None have won a Super Bowl with more than one franchise. Success at that level has a lot of variables and is difficult to replicate in more than one place.
Get the best players, hire competent coaches, and be a good enough leader to keep the Ferrari out of the ditch.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/27/26 at 11:26 am to WG_Dawg
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don't believe i ever compared their resumes did I?
You said they had the same “aura,” which is just stupid.
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yes you've referenced this several times. What you're doing is akin to a clemson fan saying "psh, beating saban/bama at the height of their dynasty is nothign. We did it multiple times. Y'all think it's hard or something?" Just because bama beat florida twice that year doesn't make the overall point any less valid.
Florida did not physically intimidate teams.
Auburn scored 30+ on Florida three years in a row running a downhill I with heavy backs like James Bostic and Stephen Davis.
Could Florida score? Absolutely. Did they have guys who made you worry about a hospital trip? No, not really.
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Maybe not. Perhaps they're "scared' of losign by 30+ though as spurrier's opponents tended to do.
Florida also had a tendency to get embarrassed in ways that rarely happened with Johnson’s Miami, Bowden’s FSU, Saban’s Bama.
You usually felt lucky to beat those teams. Florida had more games where they just hit the shite beat out of them.
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so only one specific type of ball elicits fear into opponents, do I have your main point correct here ?
Fear in football stems from physical prowess, not finesse.
re: What kept Steve Spurrier from winning more than 1 national title at Florida?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/27/26 at 10:43 am to WG_Dawg
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Florida under spurrier had the same aura around them as saban's bama teams.
Bahahaha!
Saban’s teams won six national titles - and would knock your dick in the dirt with NFL ready talent everywhere.
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Most teams lost before the game even started because of the mental hurdle of knowing what they were up against.
Well, I was right there in the middle of it in 1999 when we beat Florida in the Swamp and smoked them in the SECCG.
I don’t recall anyone being scared. No one is scared to have the ball thrown around the yard on them.
ND wasn’t standing in the tunnel before the 2013 national championship and watching guys like Chance Warmack run by and worry about somebody running a post route on them. They were worried about someone trampling their arse.
Spurrier’s teams didn’t strike that kind of fear in teams.
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oing to be completely right on this. But as for SEC teams go
Dude was talking national level.
re: Why couldn’t tom Osborne win a title until 1994?
Posted by Globetrotter747 on 7/27/26 at 10:32 am to RD Dawg
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Then he was able to recruit partial qualifiers to build his mid 90's powerhouse teams.
I don’t know that Osborne’s “pre-dynasty” teams get their due.
In the ‘80s and early ‘90s, Nebraska had Turner Gill, Mike Rozier, Roger Craig, Irving Fryar, Tom Rathman, Dean Steinkuhler, Dave Rimington, Neil Smith, Broderick Thomas, Johnny Mitchell, Will Shields, Trev Alberts, and others.
1982 Nebraska offense:
WR) Irving Fryar: 1st/1984
WR) Todd Brown: 6th/1983
LT) Randy Theists: Undrafted
LG) Mike Mandelko: Undrafted
C) Dave Rimington: 1st/1983
RG) Dean Steinkuhler: 1st/1984
RT) Jeff Kwapik: Undrafted
TE) Jamie Williams: 3rd/1983
QB) Turner Gill: Undrafted (CFL)
FB) Doug Wilkening: Undrafted
TB) Mike Rozier 1st/1984 (USFL)
1995 Nebraska offense
WR) Clester Johnson: Undrafted
WR) Reggie Baul: Undrafted
TE) Mark Gilman: Undrafted
LT) Chris Dishman: 4th//1997.
LG) Aaron Taylor: 7th/1998
C) Aaron Graham: 4th/1996
RG) Steve Ott: Undrafted
RT) Eric Anderson: Undrafted
QB) Tommie Frazier: Undrafted
FB) Jeff Makovicka: Undrafted
TB) Lawrence Phillips: 1st/1996
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