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re: If you believe Israel is sovereign and Jews the right to their own state you’re a Zionist
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:45 pm to the808bass
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:45 pm to the808bass
The whole conversation has become all or nothing and there is very little room for nuance with most people
I think the obvious solution is 2 states. He’ll maybe even 3. But it doesn’t seem either side wants that.
People should be able to both condemn Oct 7th and say that Israel’s methods in Gaza aren’t justifiable or even effective.
The current regime is consistently biting off more than they can chew.
I think the obvious solution is 2 states. He’ll maybe even 3. But it doesn’t seem either side wants that.
People should be able to both condemn Oct 7th and say that Israel’s methods in Gaza aren’t justifiable or even effective.
The current regime is consistently biting off more than they can chew.
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Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:45 pm to dgnx6
You use “anti-Semite “ as a label to discredit people that have legitimate criticisms of the acts of the Israeli government.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 12:47 pm to FlyDownTheField83
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You use “anti-Semite “ as a label to discredit people that have legitimate criticisms of the acts of the Israeli government.
Not everyone who is anti-israel is antisemitic, but most who aren’t are super willing to turn a blind eye to the ones who are
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:00 pm to Powerman
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They are incapable of defending their state without America
You sure about that?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:20 pm to Mike da Tigah
What about hose of us who don’t give a shite about any foreign country we just want America to be better and get back to the founding fathers image
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:21 pm to dgnx6
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If Israel was a Christian nation, you wouldn't be saying the same things.
Bullllshit. Christians are persecuted much more than Jews or anyone else and it’s global. You just don’t hear about it. We’re also being told we have to give our country over to third world pieces of shite
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:22 pm to dgnx6
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Replace zionist with jew and that's what he really means.
Wrongggg that’s two different things. Ask my Jewish wife
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:27 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Everything with you people is black & white hyperbole. No one ever disputed that Nazis, eugenics, or genocidal racism were bad.
I rejected someone else’s claim that was a black and white claim about Jew-hatred being the cause of WW2. I was seeing if the person who laughed at that claim could similarly agree that Jew hatred was at least a component of Nazi’s bloodthirsty regime.
You didn’t bother to read it and jumped in claiming it was black and white for me. When everything I’ve posted in this thread has been the opposite of that.
So who’s struggling with nuance? It ain’t me. (It’s you.).
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:28 pm to Sweep Da Leg
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Wrongggg that’s two different things.
We have multiple people in this thread saying “Israel” and “Judaism” are the same thing.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:30 pm to Mike da Tigah
Zionism is a word created by Marxist. This entire narrative is a far left, ant-American operation and it’s working because rubes are stupid
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:32 pm to Powerman
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Why does a religion have some right to their own state? They are incapable of defending their state without America. They exist only because we allow them to exist. At some point all the dumb boomers die off and no one is willing to fund their existence any longer.
I fully agree with you except for the part about "dumb boomers".
The fault lies with evangelical Christians who believe support for a group of people who despise them is necessary because of scripture. God's chosen people, yada, yada.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:39 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Ever stop to consider just who makes Zionism a dirty word?
It wasn't necessarily dirty until it was directly associated with the forced land siezures, death, wars, famine and dehumanization of God's children in the name of God.
Zionisim is akin to the religious zealotry of the Shia Muslims they claim to oppose.
It's a man-made doctrine less than 200 years old essentially pushed on Protestant Christians to accept a political state of israel which has been the plan of global powers like the Rothchilds for centuries.
The Jewish messiah is not Jesus Christ. If you accelerate the coming of the antichrist, do not expect Jesus to step in and save you without having to suffer the consequences of your actions.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 1:42 pm to the808bass
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I rejected someone else’s claim that was a black and white claim about Jew-hatred being the cause of WW2. I was seeing if the person who laughed at that claim could similarly agree that Jew hatred was at least a component of Nazi’s bloodthirsty regime.
It’s a pretty confusing pivot as written, but my bad for misreading.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:22 pm to the808bass
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That is a completely acceptable definition of Zionism.
That is a critically inaccurate definition. Go do your homework fool!
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:33 pm to Powerman
What about the Vatican?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:40 pm to SammyTiger
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Not everyone who is anti-israel is antisemitic, but most who aren’t are super willing to turn a blind eye to the ones who are
Not everyone who is pro-Israel is also Pro-indiscriminate slaughter, but all who aren't are super willing to turn a blind eye to the ones who are.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:46 pm to hawgfaninc
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When Israel protects its borders & tries to gain land it’s bad
It is only bad if we are the ones doing their bidding and/or funding it. Why is there always the conflating of anything that doesnt "support" israel as being against israel?
Many people want israel to fend for itself, stop receiving USA handouts and stay out of american politics (stop buying politicians). All these are simply stances of USA first yet they get labeled as anti-semitism. Why is that?
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:47 pm to TulsaSooner78
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The fault lies with evangelical Christians who believe
That isn’t even close to a majority of even evangelicals. Surveys show like 20% support of this sort of idea in evangelicalism.
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:49 pm to Mike da Tigah
This seems to be going well. Glad to see all the nuance in this thread 
Posted on 3/31/26 at 3:57 pm to geoag58
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Traveled the country in November. The Israeli people could not have been more welcoming or nicer to my old Christian self.
Sounds like you have fallen under the spell of Aleksandr Dugin
People =/= government. Course I am sure since you vacationed there once, you are now an expert about how nicely Palestinian and Israeli Christians are treated.
I mean Rossing Center for Education and Dialogue's 2024 report is out there. You can still find a video of Christian leaders, from 2018, when they made a joint statement about the treatment. You can look at how Israel indiscriminately shelled Christian towns in Lebenon during their fight with the PLO throughout the years or how they are displacing Palestinian Christians today. There are so many things to read and watch.
But I am sure a few days spent at touristy locals is a much better source.
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