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If my beliefs are right then why aren’t they more popular?
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:26 pm
This was a question I was mulling even before this debacle of an election.
I think my beliefs are correct, but they don’t seem to be very popular. Some of them are even extreme for here.
Any suggestions on how to answer this?
I think my beliefs are correct, but they don’t seem to be very popular. Some of them are even extreme for here.
Any suggestions on how to answer this?
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:28 pm to weagle1999
Your beliefs are incorrect.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:32 pm to Django Unchained
To the right of today’s conservatives on a decent number of things, to the left of conservatives on a very small number of things (mainly centered around natural conservation), with some anarcho-libertarianism sprinkled in.
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:33 pm to weagle1999
More people believe their beliefs are right than believe your beliefs are right
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:36 pm to weagle1999
Popularity isn't a measure of truth. Seek out people who disagree with you and test your beliefs against their strongest arguments. But you also need the intellectual honesty to change your mind when the evidence demands it. Otherwise you're defending beliefs, not seeking truth.
Humans are terrible at this, though.
Humans are terrible at this, though.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:41 pm to weagle1999
quote:
This was a question I was mulling even before this debacle of an election.
I think my beliefs are correct, but they don’t seem to be very popular. Some of them are even extreme for here.
Any suggestions on how to answer this?
Why?
I think the DSA understood way back in the 60's if you promise Americans unsustainable social programs while using faulty math to explain how these entitlement programs will be fully funded, well, you'll get a shite ton of Americans who are low info/low IQ who believe the BS.
It's easy for people to do thoughtless and idiotic things, it takes people with keen discernment, wisdom, intelligence and dogged determination to do the right thing and the hard things.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:42 pm to weagle1999
There is an explanation - a theory - but it’s depressing.
Evolution is a process mysterious to us, but certain features are well known. Societies evolve according to similar rules as species do.
When an individual member of a species becomes useless to the seeming purposes of evolution it tends to die. When societies become useless they tend to die also.
The society of the USA (and the West in general) is at the pinnacle of human civilization. It would be a difficult argument to make that there is anything approaching an equal. But we clearly are no longer innovating (I’m not speaking of technology but of the society itself). The apex of our civilization seems to have been reached.
When this happens to societies the people inhabiting them have tended, throughout history, to lose confidence - just as they achieve maximum success; just as our reason tells us they should be most confidant.
I believe this is an evolutionary process to vacate the stage so the frontier can be pushed forward by others. The troubling thing about that is that there are always enormous steps backwards before the progress gains new ground.
Anyway, that’s my theory. I’m sure it’s been put forward by others. In fact, I likely pilfered it unknowingly, because I’ve never thought of much original before.
Evolution is a process mysterious to us, but certain features are well known. Societies evolve according to similar rules as species do.
When an individual member of a species becomes useless to the seeming purposes of evolution it tends to die. When societies become useless they tend to die also.
The society of the USA (and the West in general) is at the pinnacle of human civilization. It would be a difficult argument to make that there is anything approaching an equal. But we clearly are no longer innovating (I’m not speaking of technology but of the society itself). The apex of our civilization seems to have been reached.
When this happens to societies the people inhabiting them have tended, throughout history, to lose confidence - just as they achieve maximum success; just as our reason tells us they should be most confidant.
I believe this is an evolutionary process to vacate the stage so the frontier can be pushed forward by others. The troubling thing about that is that there are always enormous steps backwards before the progress gains new ground.
Anyway, that’s my theory. I’m sure it’s been put forward by others. In fact, I likely pilfered it unknowingly, because I’ve never thought of much original before.
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:44 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
Popularity isn't a measure of truth. Seek out people who disagree with you and test your beliefs against their strongest arguments. But you also need the intellectual honesty to change your mind when the evidence demands it. Otherwise you're defending beliefs, not seeking truth. Humans are terrible at this, though.
Some truth here that a lot of posters on this board should read carefully and think about.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:45 pm to weagle1999
You may be right
I may be crazy
Aww, but it just may be a lunatic
You’re looking for.
— Dems and Billy Joel
I may be crazy
Aww, but it just may be a lunatic
You’re looking for.
— Dems and Billy Joel
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:46 pm to weagle1999
You’re not going to be right being on one end of a spectrum. You’re also far from a conservative no matter what you continue to tell yourself. A true conservative doesn’t cry everyday about what affects them to the point they don’t vote and hand over power to liberalism.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:46 pm to weagle1999
its Biblical
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:50 pm to weagle1999
quote:
Any suggestions on how to answer this?
Try considering other popular beliefs that are actually wrong.
Do you remember hearing that cracking your knuckles will cause arthritis?
You should brush your teeth after eating?
Bread should be consumed more than other food options?
You need to drink 8 glasses of water every day?
Avoid eating eggs because they raise your cholesterol?
All are popular beliefs but they have all been proven wrong.
Many popular beliefs are stupid. Half the population has below average intelligence. Half is enough to make something popular.
Edited: also look at the average debt per household, and the number of people who refuse to live within their means. Even as they age, look at how little savings people have or any other reasonable form of retirement planning. People seek instant gratification and live for the moment.
If you make good decisions in life, keep doing it regardless of how unpopular your good decisions are.
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:55 pm to weagle1999
Because there's no such thing as a "correct" political belief.
Even if you assume that your political preferences are based on perfect knowledge of all relevant information, the outcome you're hoping to achieve is shaped by your personal values, which are subjective.
Even if you assume that your political preferences are based on perfect knowledge of all relevant information, the outcome you're hoping to achieve is shaped by your personal values, which are subjective.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:56 pm to Slippy
quote:
Your beliefs are incorrect.
That is correct.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 4:58 pm to weagle1999
quote:
This was a question I was mulling even before this debacle of an election.
If you have conservative beliefs, the leader of your party needs to be able to sell it.
Trump can't sell it, nor does he believe in it.
For instance, Reagan could sell it.
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:01 pm to frogtown
quote:because he is not a conservative
Trump can't sell it, nor does he believe in it.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:06 pm to northshorebamaman
Dang that was pretty eloquent. Did not expect to read that on TD
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:07 pm to weagle1999
Are you a white male? If so, you're beliefs are probably in the majority of others like you. That's all I'll say.
Posted on 11/11/26 at 5:12 pm to RandySavage
Reading that actually helps 
This post was edited on 11/11/26 at 5:17 pm

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