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I asked ChatGPT to tell me when Palestine existed. It gave an honest answer, shockingly
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:00 am
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:00 am
My question
I expected a politicized/shaded response, but it gave an honest answer:
Bard/Gemini wouldn't answer and told me Google search would provide a more detailed response.
quote:
Over the last 2000 years, how often have the Palestinian people ruled autonomously within the current geographical boundaries of Israel
I expected a politicized/shaded response, but it gave an honest answer:
quote:
Over the past 2,000 years, the Palestinian people have had very limited periods of autonomous rule within the geographical boundaries of what is now Israel. Control over this region has shifted numerous times due to foreign empires and colonial powers. Here’s a broad outline:
1. Roman and Byzantine Period (63 BCE – 638 CE)
The region, including modern Israel and Palestine, was under Roman control starting from 63 BCE, after which it became the Roman province of Judea and later Palaestina following the Bar Kokhba Revolt (135 CE). The name "Palaestina" was used by the Romans to weaken Jewish ties to the land.
This was followed by Byzantine (Eastern Roman Empire) rule after the Roman Empire split, lasting until the Muslim conquests.
2. Islamic Caliphates (638 – 1099)
Muslim Arab rule began after the region was conquered by the Rashidun Caliphate in 638 CE. For the next few centuries, the land was ruled by a succession of Islamic caliphates, including the Umayyads, Abbasids, and Fatimids.
During this period, Arab and Islamic culture significantly influenced the population, and many local people adopted Arabic language and Islamic religion.
3. Crusader Period (1099 – 1291)
The Crusaders took control of parts of the region during the First Crusade (1099), establishing several Christian states, including the Kingdom of Jerusalem. This period lasted until 1291 when the Mamluks expelled the Crusaders.
4. Mamluk Sultanate (1291 – 1517)
The region was part of the Mamluk Sultanate, based in Egypt, from 1291 to 1517. Though ruled by external powers, Arab populations, including some ancestors of today’s Palestinians, lived in the area.
5. Ottoman Empire (1517 – 1917)
The region fell under the control of the Ottoman Empire in 1517 and remained so until the end of World War I in 1917.
Under the Ottomans, the region was administered as part of larger provinces (vilayets) and was not an autonomous or independent entity. Palestinians, as part of the broader Ottoman subjects, did not exercise autonomous rule.
6. British Mandate (1917 – 1948)
Following the defeat of the Ottomans in World War I, the British Mandate for Palestine was established in 1920, authorized by the League of Nations. This period saw increasing tensions between Jewish and Arab communities due to Jewish immigration and land purchases facilitated by the Zionist movement.
The Arab population resisted both British colonial rule and increasing Zionist influence, but no autonomous Palestinian state was established.
7. Post-1948 Era (Israel and Occupied Territories)
After the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the establishment of the State of Israel, the geographical area of Palestine was divided. Israel controlled a large part of the region, while Jordan annexed the West Bank and Egypt controlled the Gaza Strip.
From 1948 until 1967, Palestinians in these areas did not have autonomous rule. Following the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
8. Palestinian Autonomy (1993 – Present)
Limited Palestinian self-rule came into effect after the Oslo Accords (1993 and 1995) between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). These agreements led to the creation of the Palestinian Authority (PA), which has partial administrative control over parts of the West Bank and Gaza.
However, Israel retains significant security control, and full sovereignty or autonomous statehood has not been achieved. The Gaza Strip has been ruled by Hamas since 2007 after the split between Hamas and Fatah.
Conclusion:
For most of the last 2,000 years, the Palestinian people have lived under foreign rule—Roman, Byzantine, Islamic caliphates, Crusaders, Mamluks, Ottomans, British, and then Israeli rule. The only period of limited self-governance occurred under the Palestinian Authority in parts of the West Bank and Gaza from the 1990s onward, but this has not been full sovereignty or autonomy in the traditional sense.
Bard/Gemini wouldn't answer and told me Google search would provide a more detailed response.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:02 am to SlowFlowPro
Palestine has never been a real country.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 8:03 am
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
To the left it’s just about being anti white.
If they followed the rules they have for white people they would call Arabs colonizers.
If they followed the rules they have for white people they would call Arabs colonizers.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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For most of the last 2,000 years, the Palestinian people have lived under foreign rule
You would think that they would be used to it by now.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:08 am to oldskule
quote:
Palestine has never been a real country.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Now ask it how many Jewish people have historically lived in what's now Israel
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:10 am to Chair45
That "80 year old map of Palestine" is a map of the British empire, my dude.
See #6 in OP
See #6 in OP
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 8:13 am
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:12 am to Stealth Matrix
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Now ask it how many Jewish people have historically lived in what's now Israel
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Modern Israel was formed by the west after WW2, by the countries who owned the land where it was formed.
See #7 in OP
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 8:12 am
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Like asking when did any given Native American indian tribe exist.
We pushed their shite in too.
Israel couldn’t do shite to Palestinians without the US’s resources (and prior to that, Great Britain)
I wish they had the resources to defend themselves instead of us have to be their sugar daddy.
We pushed their shite in too.
Israel couldn’t do shite to Palestinians without the US’s resources (and prior to that, Great Britain)
I wish they had the resources to defend themselves instead of us have to be their sugar daddy.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:15 am to Grassy1
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Israel couldn’t do shite to Palestinians without the US’s resources (and prior to that, Great Britain)
Again, irrelevant to the discussion.
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I wish they had the resources to defend themselves instead of us have to be their sugar daddy.
See above.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:15 am to oldskule
quote:
Palestine has never been a real country.
This is corect.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
The key to winning is, invade, kill and write the history books.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:17 am to GumboPot
Only 1 and 2 are required.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:18 am to SlowFlowPro
How long have the people who identify as Palestinian occupied the land that is now called Israel?
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:19 am to oldskule
quote:
Palestine has never been a real country.
They had their chance to be one in 1947, but they rejected the UN resolution which established separate countries Israel and Palestine. In hindsight, they choose poorly.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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Only 1 and 2 are required.
Okay, you got me there.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
So what's the argument you're referencing? Since Palestinians "haven't had control of their own nation' makes them less human?
Innocent people are dying on both sides and it fricking sucks. Humans have sucked for thousands of years. No matter the side, it's shitty that people are dying.
I wish the whole world would stfu. That or us get invaded by aliens haha
Remember in Independence Day when we all came together to fight the aliens? I member
Innocent people are dying on both sides and it fricking sucks. Humans have sucked for thousands of years. No matter the side, it's shitty that people are dying.
I wish the whole world would stfu. That or us get invaded by aliens haha
Remember in Independence Day when we all came together to fight the aliens? I member
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:23 am to teamjackson
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So what's the argument you're referencing? Since Palestinians "haven't had control of their own nation' makes them less human?
Just makes them a people without a nation? In other words a political faction within a country based on ethnicity.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:27 am to teamjackson
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Remember in Independence Day when we all came together to fight the aliens? I member
I do remember. Your in luck though as we will get to fight the aliens for real this time. There are about 20m of them here already.
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