re: I asked ChatGPT to tell me when Palestine existed. It gave an honest answer, shockingly

What that tells me is bring back the ottomans.

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Palestine has never been a real country.

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This has always been the dumbest reason used to justify a modern military force attacking unarmed civilians. Just be honest and say you hate them.

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I remember when the Homo sapiens kick the Neanderthals arse and now they are extinct

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Not entirely. Some people have Neanderthal DNA. Maybe those people can reclaim their ancient lands or at the very least be entitled reparations.

Here's Grok's answer

Over the last 2000 years, how often have the Palestinian people ruled autonomously within the current geographical boundaries of Israel
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Over the last 2000 years, the concept of the Palestinian people ruling autonomously within the current geographical boundaries of Israel, as understood in modern terms, has not been a consistent historical reality. Here's a historical overview:

Roman Period to Byzantine Empire: After the Jewish-Roman wars, particularly after the Bar Kokhba revolt in the 2nd century AD, the Roman Empire renamed the area Syria Palaestina. This was not an autonomous Palestinian rule but rather governance under Roman, and later, Byzantine rule.
Islamic Caliphates: From the 7th century, the region saw rule by various Islamic caliphates, including the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, and Fatimid caliphates. These were not local Palestinian rulers but rather part of larger empires.
Crusader States: The 12th and 13th centuries saw the establishment of Crusader states, where control was predominantly European Christian, not local or Palestinian.
Mamluk and Ottoman Rule: The region was under Mamluk control from the late 13th century until the early 16th century when the Ottoman Empire took over. The Ottomans ruled until World War I, administering the area as part of larger provinces, not as an autonomous Palestinian entity.
British Mandate for Palestine: Post-World War I, the League of Nations granted Britain the mandate to govern Palestine, which included what is now Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip. During this time, there was no autonomous Palestinian rule. The British administered the area until 1948.
Post-1948: After the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the West Bank was controlled by Jordan, and the Gaza Strip by Egypt. Neither area was under Palestinian autonomy.
Oslo Accords and Palestinian Authority: The Oslo Accords in the 1990s led to the creation of the Palestinian Authority (PA), which exercises partial autonomy in parts of the West Bank and, until 2007, in Gaza. This is the closest historical example to Palestinian autonomy, but it's limited and does not cover the entire geographical area of what is now Israel. The PA's jurisdiction and autonomy are constrained by Israeli security control and settlements in parts of the West Bank, and since 2007, Gaza has been under Hamas control, separate from the PA.
Current Status: The Palestinian territories (West Bank and Gaza) do not have full sovereignty or control over their borders, airspace, or many aspects of security, especially in areas defined by the Oslo Accords as under Israeli control.

Summarizing, within the current boundaries of Israel, there has been no period over the last 2000 years where the Palestinian people, as a distinct national group, ruled autonomously over the entire area now recognized as Israel. The closest approximation to autonomy for Palestinians has been through the Palestinian Authority in parts of the West Bank, which does not cover the entirety of Israel's current geographical boundaries.

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If the argument is that a people can’t exist without a country, how is this a straw man?

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Maybe I’m a poor reader, but I haven’t seen that argument posted.

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You're changing the discussion, now, like that other guy.

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So what's the point of this thread? Just to inform everyone that bullshite AI said a thing about Palestine? Did you not want any further discussion?

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It's funny that you label this cultural value, which is about 1500 years old and 1000 years older than "Western values" to the West...somehow.

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The West is meddling in Israel and funding efforts to terrorize Palestinians, which is why the West is relevant to this discussion.

Claiming that Palestine was never a country isn’t remotely close to saying the people don’t exist.

The Roma people don’t have a country, but they still exist.

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If the argument is that a people can’t exist without a country

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That's not the argument.

You said yourself that you expected a politicized response, the inference being you were surprised when it wasn’t. I’d assert that it pretty much exclusively falls under the category of history or some sub-category(s) falling under the topic of history in a broader sense.

But it’s ultimately inconsequential. Basically just jesting about.

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The West is meddling in Israel and funding efforts to terrorize Palestinians, which is why the West is relevant to this discussion.

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This has nothing to do with this

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Many ethnic groups haven't subscribed to Western ideas of violently occupying lands to form nation states

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Which is what you said.

Also, the group occupying Palestine is Arab-Muslim, and their subscription to the belief in using violence to occupy lands pre-dates "Western culture" by 1000 years