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Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:30 am to teamjackson
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So what's the argument you're referencing? Since Palestinians "haven't had control of their own nation' makes them less human?
No. What a straw man.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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Define "occupied"
inhabited the area
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:31 am to FreddieMac
SFP sets up these threads trying to fish for an argument.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:32 am to Warboo
The land belong to God and He gave it to Israel. Case closed.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:32 am to 4cubbies
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inhabited the area
A long time. What does that matter? It's never been their state. They're just a collection of various ethnicities (and religions) who happened to migrate into that area prior to certain imperial occupations.
There has never been a "Palestine" to free.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:33 am to 4cubbies
quote:They didn't as of 1867.
How long have the people who identify as Palestinian occupied the land that is now called Israel?
quote:Not long after that time, circa 1890, the Zionist movement started and the Jews returned and reinvigorated the place. Soon the Palestinians wanted it back - even though they never had it, it was part of the Ottoman Empire at that time.
On Palestine
“ ...[a] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”
- 1867 (Quoted in Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad. London: 1881)
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Answer the question then, Mr. High n Mighty. What's the argument? I'll rephrase, what is the point of the post?
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:37 am to 4cubbies
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How long have the people who identify as Palestinian
Guys "identify" as women, it doesn't make it so, and Palestine was never an independent country
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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I expected a politicized/shaded response
Which, of course you were wrong. Then, you put it on the political board anyway, for which, again, you were wrong. Pretty routine stuff.
I kid. But only as to the sarcastic tone. The rest remains as a matter of fact.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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A long time. What does that matter? It's never been their state.
So that means they deserve to be tormented, have their homes razed, have their utilities rationed, etc? What does it matter if they had enough weapons to violently overthrow a government? They're human beings.
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There has never been a "Palestine" to free.
Many ethnic groups haven't subscribed to Western ideas of violently occupying lands to form nation states that still exist as a people, particularly indigenous people. You're just perpetuating this colonizer perspective of "It's only your land if you kill all the previous inhabitants and stab the ground with your colorful fabric."
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:41 am to teamjackson
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What's the argument?
"Palestine" never existed and there is no "Palestine" to "free".
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:41 am to TrueTiger
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For most of the last 2,000 years, the Palestinian people have lived under foreign rule
So, there never has been a "Palestinian people".
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:41 am to davyjones
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Then, you put it on the political board anyway, for which, again, you were wrong.
This is a political topic, especially given current events.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:42 am to tommy2tone1999
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Palestine was never an independent country
Neither was Inuit. Do you also preach the nonexistence of Inuit people?
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Palestine is as much of a country in the Middle East as Acadiana is a state in America.
It just doesn't exist in terms of a state. It just a region to describe culture and ethnicity.
It just doesn't exist in terms of a state. It just a region to describe culture and ethnicity.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:46 am to 4cubbies
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So that means they deserve to be tormented, have their homes razed, have their utilities rationed, etc?
You're changing the discussion, now, like that other guy.
Nowhere in my OP did we discuss what I just quoted.
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What does it matter if they had enough weapons to violently overthrow a government?
Based on a survey of human history, it matters a great deal.
Note: for most of the last 2000 years, the area was ruled by Muslims. If you just look at the post-Roman era, it's the vast majority.
Western colonialization of the area (to which I include the current iteration of "Israel") is only about 100 years of that 1400 year, post-Roman timeframe.
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Many ethnic groups haven't subscribed to Western ideas of violently occupying lands to form nation states
Well lucky for us, the Arab-Muslim ethnic group 100% subscribes to this idea
It's funny that you label this cultural value, which is about 1500 years old and 1000 years older than "Western values" to the West...somehow.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:47 am to 4cubbies
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Many ethnic groups haven't subscribed to Western ideas of violently occupying lands to form nation states that still exist as a people,
You can't be this stupid. Violent conflicts to occupy lands isn't a "western idea". It's an idea as old as time.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:47 am to 4cubbies
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Do you also preach the nonexistence of Inuit people?
I know we have a cold front currently, but it's too early for strawmen
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:49 am to La Place Mike
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You can't be this stupid. Violent conflicts to occupy lands isn't a "western idea". It's an idea as old as time.
I remember when the Homo sapiens kick the Neanderthals arse and now they are extinct.
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