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re: How can the pope vote?
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:26 pm to Wally Sparks
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:26 pm to Wally Sparks
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Neither did John Paul II or Benedict.
The best practice would be the traditional one of renouncing all other citizenships once you become the Pope and a Vatican citizen.
That would signal that you are solely dedicated to the church.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:40 pm to TrueTiger
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It’s possible.
so is the sun not rising tomorrow
rational people dismiss the notion
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:41 pm to FooManChoo
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I think our understanding of the gospel is different,
This is a false narrative put out by your preacher that you take as Canon.
We read from the same Gospels that Prots do.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:54 pm to OysterPoBoy
Is he not the leader of an actual entity that is separate from the USA and has that interest first ?
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:58 pm to OysterPoBoy
The USA should do away with duel citizenship.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 12:59 pm to UptownJoeBrown
Agreed. Dual citizenship is a dem scam that needs be done away with. They are not real citizens of this country.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:03 pm to beaux duke
When you look at the law and connect the dots, the case could be brought.
It won’t be, especially from a deep blue DA. I understand that and I’m not predicting that.
It won’t be, especially from a deep blue DA. I understand that and I’m not predicting that.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:08 pm to soonerinlOUisiana
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I don’t see how a person can continue to be a US citizen if he/she lives outside of the states or territories and has no intention to ever return.
If we want to be technical here, he's a US Citizen and his employer has him on an overseas assignment.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:12 pm to Nosevens
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Is he not the leader of an actual entity that is separate from the USA and has that interest first ?
Pope Leo is not the President of the Vatican City State.
This post was edited on 10/30/26 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:12 pm to CapitalTiger
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he's a US Citizen and his employer has him on an overseas assignment.
That leaves behind quite a bit of context.
He’s the leader for life of a foreign state. He’s not coming back.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:15 pm to TrueTiger
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He’s the leader for life of a foreign state. He’s not coming back.
He could resign tomorrow and return to the secular life if he chose.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:19 pm to CapitalTiger
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He could resign tomorrow and return to the secular life if he chose.
Keeping that option open signals a disturbing lack of faith on his part.
He should burn the ships, no return possible, and show full commitment to the church.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:21 pm to OysterPoBoy
That's not what that means
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:25 pm to TrueTiger
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Keeping that option open signals a disturbing lack of faith on his part.
What? I was obviously pointing out the extreme.
I'm just pointing out there is a process for abdication. Benedict abdicated his role as pontiff due to health issues. He remained a Priest and on Vatican grounds.
Leo could step down for health and given his age, would be eligible to retire. He could return home if he chose. In this scenario he would still remain a Priest.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:28 pm to OysterPoBoy
OP is splitting hairs here. The pope can vote just like I, as a non-catholic, can partake of the sacraments at mass.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:37 pm to TrueTiger
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When you look at the law and connect the dots, the case could be brought.
connect them for me matlock
in before (((do your own research)))
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:41 pm to MKP2004
quote:Forgive me if I wasn't clear. I wasn't talking about the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), but the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is the message (good news) of salvation through faith alone in Christ alone for justification.
This is a false narrative put out by your preacher that you take as Canon.
We read from the same Gospels that Prots do.
And yes, we do have a different gospel.
Protestants believe that we are justified by God's grace alone through faith alone in Jesus alone, and that because God is the one who saves, it isn't up to us to maintain our salvation, but to simply trust in Jesus, who will never let us out of His hands.
It's my understanding that Catholics teach that justification includes sanctification, and that while we can be justified by grace initially through the sacrament of baptism, we must maintain our justification through good works of obedience within the sacramental system of Rome, penance, and so on. Therefore, we must maintain our justification ourselves, and even add upon what Christ has done with our own meritorious works.
So yes, we believe very different things about what the gospel is.
This post was edited on 10/30/26 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:42 pm to foghat
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• Fundamental Rights as a Citizen: Legal and voting rights experts (such as Richard Hasen) note that individuals like Pope Leo XIV (formerly Robert Francis Prevost) retain their native citizenship (American and Peruvian in his case) and do not legally lose their right to vote simply by moving abroad or ascending to the papacy.
• Civic Duty vs. Partisanship: The Vatican has defended the action by emphasizing that voting is a matter of personal civic responsibility. Casting a secret ballot does not inherently equal a formal political endorsement or a breach of church office, and the pope's private vote does not legally bind or dictate the political choices of 1.4 billion Catholics worldwide.
Quoting the opinion of Vatican City means nothing to the argument. Nothing in that addresses conflict of interest. But hey, I got Valdimir on the phone right now. Should we offer him citizenship so he can vote as well?
This post was edited on 10/30/26 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:50 pm to beaux duke
Already showed you Illinois law.
And I agreed with you that nothing will come of it.
I’m done wasting time about it.
And I agreed with you that nothing will come of it.
I’m done wasting time about it.
Posted on 10/30/26 at 1:50 pm to UtahCajun
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Quoting the opinion of Vatican City means nothing to the argument. Nothing in that addresses conflict of interest. But hey, I got Valdimir on the phone right now. Should we offer him citizenship so he can vote as well?
Go right ahead.
Your argument is so dumb. The Pope is a citizen of the United States. Putin never has and never will be. Grow up.
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