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re: Do you think it is fair that Chinese automakers can use Mexico to ship cars tax free?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:53 am to The Maj
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:53 am to The Maj
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NOTHING that can and should be produced in this country should enter this country tax free...
While I don't disagree, we have a differentiation of labor. Mexico is supposed to be used for mid-tier manufacturing that is (I know that this will sound horrible) beneath us, skill-wise. Part of the problem is unions driving up labor costs. When a union janitor at a GM plant is demanding $80K/year to sweep the floors and still can't even be fired if he does a shitty job of it, it's hard to blame management for looking to cut costs by sending the jobs south. We have the same people lamenting jobs moving to Mexico that are also lamenting the fact that a new truck costs at least $60K. Can't have it both ways.
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Ours is heavily subsidized.
There really aren't any major companies or industries on the planet that aren't heavily subsidized or state-owned/supported by their government.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:54 am to The Maj
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NOTHING that can and should be produced in this country should enter this country tax free...
I don't think "can" is the standard. Or at least it shouldn't be.
There is basically nothing we "can't" produce here.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:55 am to Chazreinhold
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Buy a Chinese Car at your own risk. I can't Imagine buying a Chinese made car.
Yep, you would not be able to communicate in your chinese car without the CCP knowing about it. Heck, say something negative about the Chinese while driving the Chinese car and the wheels might fall off.
No value to a Pikey then!!
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 10:07 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:55 am to Indefatigable
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There really aren't any major companies or industries on the planet that aren't heavily subsidized or state-owned/supported by their government.
Agree. Which is why I dont worry much about our automakers.
Competition is good for them and better for us. Bring it on.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:55 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Absolutely. You see this all over the world. Most economies are inundated with cheap, unreliable crap. People spurning price for perceived quality is mostly an American thing.
But even here, you saw how quickly Americans dumped their Tahoes when fuel prices spiked in the Obama years. If the economy doesnt get better, they will jump all over the Chinese crap and never look back.
But even here, you saw how quickly Americans dumped their Tahoes when fuel prices spiked in the Obama years. If the economy doesnt get better, they will jump all over the Chinese crap and never look back.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Competition is good for them and better for us. Bring it on.
Its an election year with a disproportionate amount of battleground states being union-heavy. I would not expect to hear too much from any politician about the benefits of foreign competition.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:58 am to Indefatigable
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I don't think "can" is the standard. Or at least it shouldn't be.
You left off "should"... We have swung way too far in giving away our manufacturing capacity on items that SHOULD be produced in this country...
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:58 am to Vacherie Saint
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they will jump all over the Chinese crap and never look back.
Nope
US automakers will be forced to adapt and become leaner, more cost efficient and will put lower pressure on auto prices.
Competition is the cornerstone of free enterprise. Without it, you get runaway prices and monopolies.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:58 am to Flats
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If you want to claim that it's not advantageous to the US auto industry I'd agree, but that's not the same as the entirety of the US.
That is what I meant, just didn't articulate it that way. I agree.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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US automakers will be forced to adapt and become leaner, more cost efficient and will put lower pressure on auto prices.
In a free market, yes.
In a protectionist market, they can continue to drive cost up and quality down.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Ours is heavily subsidized.
And woke.
You are not wrong. But Chinese industry is literally the government. At least in the US business is not owned by the state albeit there are many industries in the US who enjoy government help through regulation and subsidies.
But there is a MASSIVE difference between being a state own business and a business that receives beneficial regulation and/or subsidies.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:00 am to YouKnowImRight
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In a protectionist market, they can continue to drive cost up and quality down.
Exactly.
It appears many "republicans" have no concepts of markets or how they function.
These baws have bought into central planning.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:00 am to The Maj
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We have swung way too far in giving away our manufacturing capacity on items that SHOULD be produced in this country...
The problem is that we don't really have the mechanisms to force these industries stateside without massive subsidization, etc. That, and for many things we don't have a decade for domestic options to sprout up and come online to meet demand.
In a perfect world you'd be right. But I think the total autarky ship has long since sailed for the United States.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:01 am to Timeoday
While I would never buy a Chinese branded auto or truck many of the parts that go into the cars/trucks we now own are made in China.
I replaced an alternator on my truck this past weekend with a rebuilt Delco alternator that was rebuilt in China.
I replaced an alternator on my truck this past weekend with a rebuilt Delco alternator that was rebuilt in China.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:01 am to Timeoday
We shouldn't be surprised. In trade with America, China never played by the rules. I will forever believe China had an axe to grind against President Trump and cooked up this Covid-19 scheme (with the aid of Little Anthony) to create a way they could destroy the Trump economy and steal the election from him.
Looks like the ChiComs are at it again. Hummm? I wonder how much $ the ChiComs are pumping to the "Big Guy" now?
Trump 2024 - Save America - Vote Trump
Looks like the ChiComs are at it again. Hummm? I wonder how much $ the ChiComs are pumping to the "Big Guy" now?
Trump 2024 - Save America - Vote Trump
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:02 am to The Maj
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You left off "should"... We have swung way too far in giving away our manufacturing capacity on items that SHOULD be produced in this country...
"Should" according to what metrics?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:02 am to Timeoday
Yes. It's just good business.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:03 am to Timeoday
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Trump mentioned it in a speech
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bloodbath
This is the only word of that the left heard.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:04 am to Indefatigable
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The problem is that we don't really have the mechanisms to force these industries
We should not be providing subsidies to other competitors in the form of "free trade" either... Especially countries, like China and Mexico that are only looking out for themselves...
Maybe things have swung too far but if nothing is done, they will continue to swing away from favor for the U.S.
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