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Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:26 am to Flats
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And you think a central planner from DC can do this better than the market?
Nope.
What framework are you thinking this through? Within our borders or outside our borders?
The reality is, we have regulated markets in the U.S. and so does every other country in the entire world. Some less than others.
The purpose of elections is to elect representatives to implement ideas to regulate those markets as you like.
I would love a unicorn economy with fully unregulated and benevolent actors. But that's just not reality.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:26 am to Flats
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You're just stating the reality that you think we need central planning to make things fair. Definitely way, way different than advocating.
But can we put Loomer on the Politburo?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:27 am to Flats
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You're just stating the reality that you think we need central planning to make things fair. Definitely way, way different than advocating.
Name a country without central planning? Just one.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:27 am to Aubie Spr96
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I think all of North and South America should be a free trade zone with no tariffs or restrictions. Want to slow down the immigration across the border? Stabilizing the economies south of us would be a good first step.
Exactly.
A booming economy South of the border means less immigration.
Markets regulate better than government if left alone.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:28 am to Timeoday
China building factories in Mexico is the socio-economic equivalent to the Soviet Union parking nukes in Cuba.
I know there are a lot of Americans that don't want to work for a living, but having a reason to get out of bed and be productive is important in a variety of ways.
NAFTA did a lot of damage to the American way of life.
I know there are a lot of Americans that don't want to work for a living, but having a reason to get out of bed and be productive is important in a variety of ways.
NAFTA did a lot of damage to the American way of life.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:28 am to GumboPot
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Name a country without central planning? Just one
I'm advocating for less. I understand it will never go away.
Yall are wanting more. Which is odd given your current faith in government.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:29 am to GumboPot
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Nope.
Really? Then what does this sentence mean?
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However used properly by responding to market feedback tariffs can be used to help maximize economic opportunity in the U.S.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:29 am to Aubie Spr96
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I think all of North and South America should be a free trade zone with no tariffs or restrictions
I like this idea. Will take central planning though.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:30 am to GumboPot
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I like this idea. Will take central planning though.
Less.
Just declare it a free trade zone, the market will do the rest. Real free trade doesnt require mediation.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 10:31 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:31 am to GumboPot
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Name a country without central planning? Just one.
Dude, nut up and just claim what you believe instead of tap dancing all over the issue. That question is a deflection; I can't name a country without corruption either. That doesn't mean I want to deliberately inject more corruption into our system.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:31 am to GumboPot
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I like this idea. Will take central planning though.
I'd like it better if it was our factories and not China's. The Wal-Mart affect on the economy has consolidated wealth in the wrong hands. Yeah, the American consumer gets more cheap widgets and gadgets, but in the long run it will cost us so much more.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm advocating for less. I understand it will never go away.
Yall are wanting more.
In this one little case, sure.
But there are a plethora of other cases that offsets this one area by A LOT.
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Which is odd given your current faith in government.
Not really. It's why we have elections.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 10:34 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Real free trade doesnt require mediation.
I'm totally with you. Now explain that to Xi.
When will google, apple, GM, Ford, etc. be able to enter China freely so we can implement this free trade?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:36 am to Flats
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Dude, nut up and just claim what you believe instead of tap dancing all over the issue.
I'm not deflecting. I'm explaining the circumstance with nuance. I'm sorry we can't live in a utopian world surrounded by benevolence without regulated markets. I wish we could. That is just not reality.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:38 am to GumboPot
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I'm not deflecting. I'm explaining the circumstance with nuance.
Rationalizing more central planning.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:39 am to GumboPot
Free trade doesnt have to be unilateral to be free trade.
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The coherent and correct case for free trade is, again, a case for unilateral free trade, one that applies to each country individually
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 10:40 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:40 am to GumboPot
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I'm explaining the circumstance with nuance.
You: we need some central planning
Others: you're in favor of central planning?
You: no
Me: this quote sure sounds like you want central planning
You: well, everybody else does it
That's not "nuance", it's evasion. If you think you have a good reason for wanting central planning that's fine, just explain your reasoning, but stop denying that it's what you think we need.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:42 am to GumboPot
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I'm not deflecting. I'm explaining the circumstance with nuance. I'm sorry we can't live in a utopian world surrounded by benevolence without regulated markets. I wish we could. That is just not reality.
The reality is you want more central planning, not less. You have consistently made that known over the last year.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:46 am to Timeoday
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Well the big boxes don't bug me too much,
As long as they don't build them by my house.
I always try to buy local,
I remain hopeful,
One day we can run them out.
Cause I don't like given my dollars to China
For this plastic paradise.
But I give it all to Mexico and Milwaukee
Twelve aluminum cans at a time.
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