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Do you think it is fair that Chinese automakers can use Mexico to ship cars tax free?

Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:28 am
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:28 am
So China is building massive auto plants in Mexico to flood the US with cars tax free. POTUS Trump mentioned it in a speech and said if he was not elected this tax free import from Mexico could cause a bloodbath regarding the US auto industry.

Do we protect the US auto industry or do we subsidize Chinese manufacturing through MEXICO?

China Building Massive Plants in MEXICO
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 9:37 am
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
6144 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:33 am to
100%














That is, tariff
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
13896 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:34 am to
Trump will put a halt to it if elected. Biden won't do shite.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26079 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:35 am to
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Do you think it is fair that Chinese automakers can use Mexico to ship cars tax free?

Do China and the relevant Mexican entities agree on the terms of the arrangement?

Then yes, it is fair.

Is it advantageous to the United States? No.

Should our policy change to address it? Yes.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 9:36 am
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:40 am to
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if he was not elected this tax free import from Mexico could cause a bloodbath regarding the US auto industry.



That was code for it would be a bloodbath in the country were Trump not elected. Really, ask any never Trump or Democrat.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
13896 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:42 am to
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Do China and the relevant Mexican entities agree on the terms of the arrangement?

We agreed to a free trade deal with Mexico, not a free trade deal with China using Mexico as a middle man.
Posted by BlueFalcon
Aberdeen Scotland
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:43 am to
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Trump will put a halt to it if elected. Biden won't do shite.


Yeah but Biden doesn't say hurtful things on Twitter so we're giving up something either way
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
1602 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:44 am to
It’s a loophole that could be closed pretty quickly. Require an extremely high% of parts be sourced in North America, with assembly be done there as well. I believe Trump would negotiate something, Biden will roll over.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26079 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:44 am to
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We agreed to a free trade deal with Mexico, not a free trade deal with China using Mexico as a middle man.


Like I said, our policy needs to change.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39414 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:45 am to
eh. Its OK to be pro-free trade, but use strategic tariffs to deal with a potentially horrendous trade crisis. As long as he plans to do something in parallel to deal with Unions, over-regulation, and green mandates that are making American cars uncompetitive.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27063 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:46 am to
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We agreed to a free trade deal with Mexico


Based on Mexico's recent actions concerning illegals, we should terminate any agreement we have with Mexico, including the so called "free trade"...

Mexico needs the U.S., not the other way around...

NOTHING that can and should be produced in this country should enter this country tax free...
Posted by Chazreinhold
Utah
Member since Oct 2020
5734 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:46 am to
Buy a Chinese Car at your own risk. I can't Imagine buying a Chinese made car.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260058 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:46 am to
Sure.

Do we love taxes now?
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26079 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:47 am to
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but use strategic tariffs to deal with a potentially horrendous trade crisis

I have no problem with tariffs, as long as they are actually geared towards protecting American industries (such as auto, etc.). Where tariffs lose me is when they are levied on items/industries we don't produce in sufficient quantities to meet domestic demand and so it just raises costs for the consumer with no benefit to the United States.

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As long as he plans to do something in parallel to deal with Unions, over-regulation, and green mandates that are making American cars uncompetitive.


Agree.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 9:49 am
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:47 am to
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Buy a Chinese Car at your own risk



You know there will be millions who do based on price alone.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118691 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:48 am to
When we negotiate "free trade" especially with countries like China they always have an unfair advantage because their industry is state owned. They may say, okay we won't place tariffs on those imports to our country in exchange for our exports to your country without tariffs. The problem is, since we are more capitalist our government does not provide industry with the support and subsidies on the front end like China does. So in order to respond with reciprocity and make the trade fair and free, capitalists societies have to respond with tariffs on the back end.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260058 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:51 am to
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I have no problem with tariffs, as long as they are actually geared towards protecting American industries (such as auto, etc.)


Our government has bailed out our automakers so much that you can claim they are subsidized too.

Tariffs promote more cost, and lead to less quality among protected industries.

We have propped up our industries forever to pay workers high wages. Its just another form of socialism.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260058 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:52 am to
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their industry is state owned.


Ours is heavily subsidized.

And woke.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
4971 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:53 am to
"Free trade" is one of the biggest lies politicians spew.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21691 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 9:53 am to
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Is it advantageous to the United States? No.


How does it hurt the US?

If you want to claim that it's not advantageous to the US auto industry I'd agree, but that's not the same as the entirety of the US. Protectionism will always help somebody but that doesn't mean it helps everybody.
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