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re: David French Sunday Email : Re: HRC vs Trump mishandling classified information—-good read
Posted on 8/14/22 at 1:27 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Posted on 8/14/22 at 1:27 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Thanks for the quality response
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The writers works of left leaning organizations and constantly harps on anti-right stumps. Why would would someone with such a well documented inability to be unbiased be something anyone should listen to as gospel?
Ummm pretty strict criteria of who should be listened to or not- do you apply the same criteria on conservative intellectuals or only towards people who you don’t agree with?
And to you answer your question- as you have aptly put French (or anyone) should be held suspect because of his bias towards Trump - and only a fool takes his writings as gospel truth but he does have truth in his writings- find the truth and don’t be scared of the untruth- you can learn from that too
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Secondly, as posted earlier by numerous individuals there is a HUGE difference between the declas authority of a POTUS and Sec of State. In fact SCOTUS has adjudicated this fact and gone so far to say a POTUS can not be charged with Espionage. Why would the writer stretch and tie the two points together and why wouldn’t he disprove this charge in his article?
I’m not sure why French didn’t include a more clear distinction- i don’t consider myself an expert in the role of SOS and COC but i felt he did explain the differences at a novice level that even I could comprehend it
I think the reason he compared the two was because his audience (non MAGA type) are gunning hard at Trump and he is saying…wait, back up - we have precedence from the FBI that giving/ receiving/handling of national security information won’t be prosecuted - and unless the Trump situation is worse than HRC, you can’t arrest Trump.
Seems fair? Right?
Again, he isn’t writing to the “trump can’t do wrong” crowd - he is writing to the “ trump is always wrong” crowd
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Obstruction is not cooperating with Legal Authority. It was clearly documented the HRC did not cooperate and the FBI treated her with kid gloves. In Trump’s case he allowed agents into Mar Lago, met with them, took their advice and had an open line of communication. That being the case why would they have to do an early morning raid that Garland said was narrow in scope (just covering all work product during his 4 year Presidential term…………..real narrow) with +30 agents and not allow legal counsel a chance to observe when HRC was not treated this way?
Great questions - i don’t have answers or theories
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- Lastly, what is easier to breach: a private unsecured server or a physical documents, under lock and key, guarded by Secret Service agents and additional private security personnel? Basically if you are really a
I think you know the answer to this question- but i think a better question should be asked:
Why did Trump or HRC feel the need to retain information of national security?
I kinda get the letter from the leftist dictator from North Korea …that might be special to Trump but the rest?
Again, thanks for engaging with good questions
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Posted on 8/14/22 at 1:40 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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I see you parrot this a lot in threads. Do you think this somehow gives you credibility? People who make it their career to engage in policy are some of the most rigid and biased people out there.
Dude- for the third time to you…i admit my biases toward Trump - I’m not denying it
I say I’m in policy exactly to give credibility that part of my job is to research and write about issues and because of that, my bias can be overridden with succinct logical reasoning- I’m biased but not foolish to intentionally hold a false belief
Posted on 8/14/22 at 1:41 pm to 850SaintsGator
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I say I’m in policy exactly to give credibility that part of my job is to research and write about issues and because of that, my bias can be overridden with succinct logical reasoning- I’m biased but not foolish to intentionally hold a false belief
It’s way cooler to unintentionally hold false beliefs.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 1:42 pm to 850SaintsGator
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Again, he isn’t writing to the “trump can’t do wrong” crowd - he is writing to the “ trump is always wrong” crowd
False. The only crowd French writes for is the “Trump is alway wrong” crowd. He has never written to another audience in the last 6 years.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:03 pm to 850SaintsGator
David French isn't that the cheese dick Bill Kristol was pushing? Anyway frick that guy.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:06 pm to 850SaintsGator
The fatal flaw in the author's logic is that HRC and DJT are NOT equals and were not at the time of the alleged crimes.
HRC was Secretary of State and her crimes (proven, actual crimes) took place WHILE IN OFFICE. She also committed crimes after the fact to conceal her original crimes (again, proven crimes).
DJT is a former President. Presidents are, and should be, given far greater latitude with regard to classified material.
While Mr. Trump may have had some classified materials in his possession, there is no evidence that he was selling that information to foreign governments through a personal server the way HRC was.
HRC was Secretary of State and her crimes (proven, actual crimes) took place WHILE IN OFFICE. She also committed crimes after the fact to conceal her original crimes (again, proven crimes).
DJT is a former President. Presidents are, and should be, given far greater latitude with regard to classified material.
While Mr. Trump may have had some classified materials in his possession, there is no evidence that he was selling that information to foreign governments through a personal server the way HRC was.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:12 pm to 850SaintsGator
frick David French. His ilk has lost all credibility in the Republican party. Good riddance.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:19 pm to 850SaintsGator
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I’m biased but not foolish to intentionally hold a false belief
Not judging from this thread.
Several people have made counter arguments to the arguments made in the article you posted and your response has been to accuse everyone of being brainwashed.
You aren’t here looking for succinct logical reasoning. Your here to confirm your bias against Trump and accuse anyone who doesn’t share those biases of not being “open minded”.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:44 pm to the808bass
If French had his dignity he'd recognize that about 85% of his followers would see him persecuted for his faith eventually. His rise has been the result of his opposition to Trump and is largely funded/supported by people who hate Christians or want to see Christianity remade to serve progressive ideology.
And that's to say nothing of his absurd blind spot. I don't conflate Christianity with Trump and think it's completely reasonable for a Christian to say they're not fond of Trump and can't really support him due to his conduct. But if you say that Cassidy Hutchison's testimony was historically brave or breathtaking and you don't recant and apologize when tons of circumstantial evidence poured in showing she was lying, you have no credibility with me.
And that's to say nothing of his absurd blind spot. I don't conflate Christianity with Trump and think it's completely reasonable for a Christian to say they're not fond of Trump and can't really support him due to his conduct. But if you say that Cassidy Hutchison's testimony was historically brave or breathtaking and you don't recant and apologize when tons of circumstantial evidence poured in showing she was lying, you have no credibility with me.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 2:53 pm to 850SaintsGator
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Thanks for the quality response
There are more quality responses in this 7 page thread than David French has produced in 7 years.
French is a disinformation agent and Deep State apologist same as his former boss WFB Jr.
Indeed, Buckley founded NR with CIA seed money.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:26 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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You people accuse Trump supporters of being cultists yet he’s been gone from office for nearly two years and you can’t STFU about him.
That’s about the least self aware statement I’ve ever seen on this board. Well done.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:29 pm to 850SaintsGator
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Ummm pretty strict criteria of who should be listened to or not- do you apply the same criteria on conservative intellectuals or only towards people who you don’t agree with?
Actually yes I do. The only writer on Substack that I scribe too is a “Liberal” plus I actually agree with Tulsi Gabbard’s foreign policy positions.
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I’m not sure why French didn’t include a more clear distinction- i don’t consider myself an expert in the role of SOS and COC but i felt he did explain the differences at a novice level that even I could comprehend it
Actually I think he did a huge disservice. The Sec of State is appointed/works for the POTUS and has to follow protocol. The fact she had SAP level Intel in an unsecured server and they did nothing is totally mind boggling. An elected President is the final authority which has been adjudicated by SCOTUS.
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Why did Trump or HRC feel the need to retain information of national security?
Having worked in the Military with a TS clearance I can honestly tell you that there is no rhyme or reason to what is deemed as classified at times. However, to take Roger Stone’s pardon and a binder that witnesses claimed Trump Declased in their presence makes this stink like day old bait fish. I would submit this reeks of them trying to get documents that may portrait the DoJ, IC, etc…in a bad light but that is my speculation.
This post was edited on 8/14/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:30 pm to ezride25
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I quit reading when I saw it was you who posted it fwiw.
Then you nicely made his point.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 3:48 pm to 850SaintsGator
I wonder who paid David French to write that.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 4:07 pm to the808bass
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False. The only crowd French writes for is the “Trump is alway wrong” crowd. He has never written to another audience in the last 6 years.
Ummm how was my comment false? I literally said what you said
Posted on 8/14/22 at 4:14 pm to the808bass
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It’s way cooler to unintentionally hold false beliefs
It’s the clothes we all wear lol
Posted on 8/14/22 at 4:15 pm to mtntiger
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The fatal flaw in the author's logic is that HRC and DJT are NOT equals and were not at the time of the alleged crimes.
The fatal flaw in your understanding- French wrote that unless Trump’s crimes exceed HRC…he should not be arrested
Posted on 8/14/22 at 4:19 pm to thebigmuffaletta
No offense but the most Noble counter argument to me was
The rest got lost in the outrage
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ABearsFanNMS
The rest got lost in the outrage
Posted on 8/14/22 at 5:24 pm to 850SaintsGator
The material difference is that Trump was president, Hillary was not. It's not that hard.
Posted on 8/14/22 at 7:10 pm to stelly1025
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David French isn't that the cheese dick Bill Kristol was pushing? Anyway frick that guy.
YES!
Same CLOTH!
I think they share a NUT SACK!
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