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re: Candace Owen's goes there. Vicious sneak attack on U.S.S. Liberty by Israel
Posted on 12/12/24 at 8:58 am to Azkiger
Posted on 12/12/24 at 8:58 am to Azkiger
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Of course if we assume they identified it as a US ship, then they knew it was a US ship.
If I were you and in the business of carrying Israel’s water, and acknowledged that they knew it was a US ship, I would be quickly agreeing it was a false flag. Because otherwise what option of reasoning do you have? Outright attack of a US ship? An act of war?
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 9:36 am
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 8:59 am to RiverCityTider
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Candace Owen's goes there.
We already know she’s anti-Semetic.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 8:59 am to Azkiger
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If there's one thing we know about terrorists, is that they never pretend to be something they're not.
This is not an opinion. It's not a debate. It's proven, from witness testimony to radio transmissions between the Israeli pilots and their base. They knew it was an American ship and they attacked it - repeatedly - anyway. But so many pastors, especially TV mega-preachers, are bought off by Israel that many Christians today would rather shoot themselves in the balls than say anything critical of Israel.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:00 am to OBReb6
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1. Right off the bat, they used heat sealing missiles to take out their communications towers, but unknown to them one of the crew had taken one offline so the missiles didn’t hit it. So they got it back up and running and sent distress signals out.
2. The Israelis fired 5 torpedoes at the ship, but only 1 hit (the one that killed 25 men instantly).
3. A Soviet ship arrived in near vicinity and spooked them.
Ah, so the coms tower summoned the Soviet ship which ruined the whole thing, it would have been a lot worse.
I'm at work now, I'll certainly have to watch Owen's vid and Jacko's as well. Think I saw a Tucker vid somewhere too.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:01 am to Lima Whiskey
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This moment tells you everything about who the Israelis are and what their core nature is
Is the US supposed to be judged on some of their darkest military or intelligence moments as well? I am pretty sure we have a lot of them that we actually know about.
Would it be fair for the Vietnamese say the core nature of the US can be taken from the My Lai Massacre? It occurred within a year of this USS Liberty incident and those were unarmed civilians (mostly women) that were raped, executed and mutilated.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:02 am to Azkiger
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Ah, so the coms tower summoned the Soviet ship which ruined the whole thing, it would have been a lot worse.
Well if by “summoned” you mean the Soviets might have intercepted their distress signals to the other US ship, then yeah maybe. The Soviet ship aspect was not brought up in this video, I’ve sent it elsewhere. I’ll try to look for it. Might have been in the Jocko video but I can’t remember.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:03 am to Azkiger
quote:Again, radio transmissions between the pilots and their base prove, without a doubt, that they knew it was an American ship.
I'm questioning if they knew it was a US ship.
You are struggling to make excuses for them. Sad.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:04 am to RiverCityTider
LBJ was a lying, murdering scumbag, this is sadly not shocking at all.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:07 am to PeleofAnalytics
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Is the US supposed to be judged on some of their darkest military or intelligence moments as well? I am pretty sure we have a lot of them that we actually know about.
I don’t think there’s many people who advocate they should be our outright enemy. What people are pissed about is we bend over backwards to give them everything they want, yet they coordinated this incident.
How many other countries have killed 3 dozen of our servicemen in an attack? Japan, Germany, Britain, Afghanistan and Iraq (though I don’t think even they did anything like that in a single incident). Anyone else?
What they all have in common is we were at war with them. No one else has ever attacked us like that, certainly none of our enemies, because we would unleash hell on them.
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 9:11 am
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:07 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:07 am to Decatur
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We already know she’s anti-Semetic.
Do you think it's anti-semitic to not believe the official story given so many people who were there being ardently convinced it was intentional?
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:10 am to Decatur
Thanks for your input Dewshcatur.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:34 am to OBReb6
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What they all have in common is we were at war with them. No one else has ever attacked us like that, certainly none of our enemies, because we would unleash hell on them.
I'm not saying we should give them a pass at all. My comment was only a direct response to the statement
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This moment tells you everything about who the Israelis are and what their core nature is
I think many US citizens, including myself, would be indignant if people across the globe said that My Lai is the core nature of the US. The US tried to cover it up and lie about it. And we have plenty of other dirty laundry if you don't like that one. People in power do disgusting shite in EVERY country. New groups come in and out of power. Some better and some worse than the group that comes before them.
I know the mob here doesn't like to hear it but use a mirror and grasp the same crap this board is flinging at Israel and its citizens can be thrown right back on us. I would bet the the US has a much longer ledger than Israel as well. The righteous indignation is sad.
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:40 am to POTUS2024
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People come on here and act as though Israel is a great ally of the US
Do they?
Or do they simply point out the very obvious fact that we have only one chance to benefit from any relationship to any degree with anyone in that very important region of the world and we'd be morons to not take it?
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I don't see evidence that the nation of Israel provides any benefit to us at all
You don't see it because you blatantly refuse to. There's no helping that and there's nothing anybody can say or point to that will change it.
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Some act as though we depend on Israel for intelligence in the region, yet they were never helpful in preventing 911, the attack on the USS Cole
Yes, and that is an asinine argument akin to saying, "The medical community wants us to believe that exercise is good for us, but exercise didn't prevent me from developing back pain and chronic allergies. It didn't keep EVERYTHING from happening to me, therefore they lied."
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and with the Liberty, they killed our people
Who they thought were Egyptian.
I don't know what Candice Owen's deal is, but she's gone all the way over the cliff with these decades-old conspiracy theories that she has just discovered, so she thinks they are new. They're not. That happened before I was born. Just like the MK-Ultra stuff that she has discovered over the past year from that book that was written in the early 2000s. She harps on that stuff like it's some current revelation and believes all of the conspiracy tripe related to it (that Charles Manson was a CIA asset, etc.).
This is more of the same. This has been hashed over 1000 times in the almost six decades since it happened.
If you believe that Israel deliberately attacked an US ship rather than the official explanation, which is that the ship was initially misidentified and then once correctly identified that communication didn't make it to the combat commanders in time, great. Good for you.
What does that have to do with Israel as an ally in (almost) 2025?
For some reason people forget that one of our strongest allies today (Great Britain) used to be an enemy. I don't know why they forget that when every 4th of July they get a reminder.
GB didn't become an ally of the US until WWII.
The Soviet Union didn't become our worst enemy until after WWII.
Italy was (obviously) an enemy during WWII.
Iran was a strong ally during the beginning of the Cold War (despite our support for Israel, which is why, "The Middle Eastern countries only hate us b/c we support Israel," is demonstrably false). They didn't become our enemy until the Islamic Revolution in the 70s.
The point being, things change.
So to satisfy Candice Owen's obvious and continuous anti-semitism she's got to do a whole lot more than insist on the truth of a sixty year old conspiracy theory. She's got to show why that (alleged) betrayal is relevant today.
Israel is far from the only country that our leaders (both Republican and Democrat, by the way) consider it beneficial to retain ally status with but who isn't always acting in our best interest.
France has done far more to undermine US foreign policy elsewhere, yet we keep them as an ally.
Here's the bottom line.
That "New Axis Of Evil" that Bush spoke of (for lack of a better term) is expanding and becoming tighter knit. China, Iran, North Korea, and Russia. They now are fighting together in Ukraine.
As China's economic position continues to deteriorate, they are going to become more and more urgent and aggressive about expanding influence and dominance in the Middle East (and elsewhere).
Anybody who thinks that now is the time to abandon the only real ally (we give aid to several ME countries, but we do so not really to get much from them, I think we do it just to keep them from fully joining the "AoE") we have in that region over a 60 year old conspiracy theory is a fool IMO.
The populists may end up doing a tremendous service to our country if they can shrink government by some significant degree and restore sanity to our borders.
But they (y'all) are like little children when it comes to foreign policy. Just like Trump said that RFK Jr. is great to put in charge of cleaning up the FDA and presiding over MAHA, but he's got to keep him away from oil and gas issues, populists are simple little children when it comes to foreign policy and we need adults in charge of that or we're going to find ourselves in another world war.
Which is why, of all of the things that Trump acts from a populist stance on, he does NOT act from that stance when it comes to foreign policy.
Thank God.
Trump is not going to abandon Israel as an ally. It's not going to happen. Because he's not a fool. Not with regard to foreign policy, anyway.
So any of y'all who read the Turner Diaries and believe that white people are the "true Israelites" are going to be disappointed if you think he is.
It's not going to happen. Might as well stop complaining about it.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:45 am to Azkiger
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So what's this boards thoughts on why such a thing occurred if mistaken identity isn't a possibility?
It was mentioned in the Candace interview. The American Sailor Philip Tourney said the reason for the false flag on the USS Liberty was to "bring the US into WW3". They were going to blame an Arab nation for the sinking of the USS Liberty. The problem is, they did not sink the USS Liberty before it was able to send out a SOS distress signal. The USS Liberty did not sink and 1/3 of the crew survived while 2/3rds died.
Now remember, the USS Liberty was NOT a battle ship. It was a surveillance/spy ship. It had minimal defensive weapons and no offensive weapons. It was an easy target.
If you have not noticed already, there appears to be a pattern here with post WWII military activity where false flags happen and Israel is always involved in some manner, then we go to war.
The most recent is Bibi funding of Hamas to initiate October 7th and now Americans feel so sympathetic to Israel to such an extent that many Americans now justify the genocide of the people in Gaza.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:46 am to wackatimesthree
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Who they thought were Egyptian.
Look, I like you as a poster, but this just isn’t true. Until you engage with this, this topic cannot actually be debated or discussed rationally
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:48 am to wackatimesthree
Noticing the statue of Mary in the video…. When did Candace become a Catholic, and what brought that on?
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:49 am to Champagne
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I think I know the "Evangelical" mind-set fairly well, and, I don't think that knowing the truth about the USS Liberty will shake their determination to support whatever Israel does. That's a big part of their religion.
Revelations 3:9 will "shake their determination". The Scofield bible is leading them to error.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:52 am to shinerfan
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So you support the murder of US sailors?
That’s a far stretch.
Israel did attack a US ship but let’s not pretend the US didn’t send a spy ship into an active war zone. And everyone clutching their pearls about napalm, your being revisionist, the US was cover Vietnam with that stuff. Guess that was different.
I’m not defending Israel in this but when you stick you nose in places it shouldn’t be it gets bloodied sometimes.
Posted on 12/12/24 at 9:52 am to OBReb6
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If the ship had been sunk and all the sailors dead, they could have claimed the Egyptians did it and America would have come in and wrecked everyone in the region.
Agree.
This was the reason to sink the USS Liberty.
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