re: Candace Owen's goes there. Vicious sneak attack on U.S.S. Liberty by Israel

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I think many US citizens, including myself, would be indignant if people across the globe said that My Lai is the core nature of the US. The US tried to cover it up and lie about it. And we have plenty of other dirty laundry if you don't like that one. People in power do disgusting shite in EVERY country. New groups come in and out of power. Some better and some worse than the group that comes before them.

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This is fair

I don't think there is a reasonable debate to be had that the attack didn't have at least some layers of intentionality to it. So my issue isn't necessarily that it reflects Israel's feeling toward us or their nature generally, but rather that we were force fed lies and the people telling the truth had their characters assassinated to protect Israeli relations. These sort of all or nothing propositions are common in discussions about anti-semitism in the west.

If you think there are Americans who prioritize Israel above
American interests, that's an anti-semitic trope, full stop. That I've had friends tell me they'd never fight in the US military but would fight for Israel is irrelevant - all or nothing.

I can’t believe that there are people here still unironically using the term “conspiracy theories” and calling people “antisemitic” and assuming it’s a good argument tactic. Those words are so poisoned that people will shut you out completely once you utter(type) them.

You’d think people on this board would know better about that certain aspect of psychology.

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I don't know what Candice Owen's deal is, but she's gone all the way over the cliff

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I'm not going to comment on the USS liberty, because I don't know enough about it.

However, Owens has turned out to be a massive nut job, and that's aside from all the antisemitic shite from the past year.

I'd take any history lesson from her with a huge grain of salt given her willingness to bet her career that Macron's wife is a man and her comments on the moon landing.

Also, she thinks Israel perpetrated 9/11 because 6 months prior, an insurance policy was purchased on the twin towers (by the management company owned by a Jew). Her failure to realize that every single piece of property in America is insured, and insurance policies are typically renewed annually, is astounding.

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then this commenter should also agree that My Lai is indicative of the core nature of the US.

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There’s a lot of incremental bad intel and decisions that created the My Lai massacre. It happened because of bad intel and weak leadership.

And although it was hidden for a while, it was US personnel that took part that exposed it and forced an investigation. We took accountability for it.

And you’re right that lots of countries have lots of shameful incidents, but usually they acknowledge them eventually. And the Israelis have a bunch of incidents that were terrible as well, and a history of false flags.

The bottom line is we would not have tolerated this from anyone else, and the survivors have been treated like garbage ever since, even though they did nothing wrong. That is why this can’t be let go, and your pleas certainly aren’t gonna change that.

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I’m not defending Israel in this but when you stick you nose in places it shouldn’t be it gets bloodied sometimes.

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The deliberate murder of US sailors by a supposed ally isn't just 'one of those things".

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I'm not going to comment on the USS liberty, because I don't know enough about it.

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Hasn’t stopped you in the past

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However, Owens has turned out to be a massive nut job, and that's aside from all the antisemitic shite from the past year.

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Here’s a sanitized non Candace influenced interview from 2 years ago, just for you

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I'm questioning if they knew it was a US ship.

Of course if we assume they identified it as a US ship, then they knew it was a US ship.

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Well, you can read a declassified CIA document of the timeline on our own CIAs website. There is no media bias, no antisemitism angle here. Just the facts as we knew it when the document was written. It is documented that a US flag was flying (as well as GIANT hull number-letters displayed prominently) and the attack happened in clear weather. They were strafed by Israeli Mirages during daylight in the morning, with the flag flying, and during the attack when Mirages flew close to attack a flag was still flying.

Read the timeline, it took them over an hour to confirm it was an american ship — after multiple strafe runs and helicopters were flying only 500 yards away. It is an extremely sketchy event.

Here is one of the American flags that was flown on that day from the USS Liberty, it is not a small flag.


Here is the CIA link. Not giving you a blind link to click on.

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Keep up the good fight. These bigots don’t know a good ally when they se it. Israel has been on our side of each war we’ve fought over the last 60 years and I’ll suspect they’ll be fighting by our side for another century. And here’s the kicker - they don’t even require much assistance from us.