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re: Blackrock will own 70% of Homes in 6 years. We will own nothing.

Posted on 10/22/23 at 12:33 am to
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/22/23 at 12:33 am to
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The Big Three—BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street—collectively constitute the largest shareholder in nearly [90%] of S&P 500 firms.
This post was edited on 10/22/23 at 12:36 am
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11379 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 12:51 am to
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Lou Pai


What is so funny?
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21206 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 12:53 am to
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First, our old conception of liberal and conservative and socialism and free enterprise are inadequate to deal with what threatens us, which is a government that is undistinguishable from the private interests that control it.



Completely agree.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11379 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 12:53 am to
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The Big Three—BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street—collectively constitute the largest shareholder in nearly [90%] of S&P 500 firms.


Yes, and Vivek pointed out that entities like CALPERS put a ton of investment money into things like BlackRock for pension funds and in turn CALPERS (the govt) is able to exert a lot of influence on these firms. It's a sordid relationship.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37140 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 12:55 am to
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There should be an additional property tax on residential land not owned by the inhabitants.


Do you even homestead exemption bro?
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 1:07 am to
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Do you even homestead exemption bro?



Why is this board do intentionally obtuse?

Besides, this board doesn't see tax credits or breaks for select industries or businesses as a cost. Homestead exemption is a tax break.

1% for non-primary residences.

Another 1% for institutional ownerships.

Another 1% if owned by a foreign entity or a foreign national.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162258 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 1:28 am to
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There should be an additional property tax on residential land not owned by the inhabitants.


There is. They're not eligible for the homestead exemption in most states.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162258 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 1:30 am to
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Why is this board do intentionally obtuse?

Besides, this board doesn't see tax credits or breaks for select industries or businesses as a cost. Homestead exemption is a tax break.

1% for non-primary residences.

Another 1% for institutional ownerships.

Another 1% if owned by a foreign entity or a foreign national.


These things are decided at the state and local level

And in most if not all states you need to occupy the home to qualify for a homestead exemption
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
5091 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 1:42 am to
I'll be happily in the countryside on my own land
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11379 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 1:59 am to
You'll own nothing and be happy about it.
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
1982 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:06 am to
70%
This is fear porn at its finest. Sorry you are poor.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14511 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:07 am to
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Prior to covid I think the big 3 (blackrock statestreet vanguard) controlled about $15T in capital. After covid it has gone up to about $22T.

That's a 50% growth in about 3 years. Seems feasible for them to get that much housing in their portfolios pretty soon.


Good lord some of you are gullible stooges. So the three largest investors (combined, not just blackrock alone) will maybe have enough capital in three years (because post-covid growth will be the norm ) and then they will liquidate ALL that accumulated capital (no more stocks, bonds, other assets) to buy US homes (through voluntary transactions) and then...profit?

What is the end goal? To make us homeless? No one is going to sell their home unless they have purchased (or have a purchase agreement for) a new place to live.

Raise the price with monopolistic power? Nope, plenty of land and plenty of lumber to build more. Plus if the price is too high, people just won't move.

It's just the paranoid ravings of someone who has a little knowledge but even less sense. I know the world is complex and hard to understand and therefore scary, but for goodness sake man, use a little of the common sense the good Lord gave you.

Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
1976 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:14 am to
One of the best OP’s I’ve seen in a while, SPOT ON!

Have an upvote, I’d give more if had them to give :)
Posted by MississippiTigerGirl
Brookhaven, MS
Member since Sep 2007
272 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:15 am to
Lol. They won’t own mine.
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
1982 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:26 am to
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Good lord some of you are gullible stooges. So the three largest investors (combined, not just blackrock alone) will maybe have enough capital in three years (because post-covid growth will be the norm ) and then they will liquidate ALL that accumulated capital (no more stocks, bonds, other assets) to buy US homes (through voluntary transactions) and then...profit? What is the end goal? To make us homeless? No one is going to sell their home unless they have purchased (or have a purchase agreement for) a new place to live. Raise the price with monopolistic power? Nope, plenty of land and plenty of lumber to build more. Plus if the price is too high, people just won't move. It's just the paranoid ravings of someone who has a little knowledge but even less sense. I know the world is complex and hard to understand and therefore scary, but for goodness sake man, use a little of the common sense the good Lord gave you.


Baw without looking at the numbers of exactly how many residences were bought by publicly traded companies that have shares owned by who knows I would guess that is almost on par with the number of Brazilians who bought houses in Florida the last five years.
We let foreigners buy houses here. The freakin chinese bought the Waldorf Astoria. Try buying a house in Italy, France, or Spain.
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
482 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:43 am to
Post the names and home addresses of board of directors and top executives for future reference.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11379 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:55 am to
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So the three largest investors (combined, not just blackrock alone) will maybe have enough capital in three years (because post-covid growth will be the norm

While the current economy sucks they continue to prosper. They are in position to take advantage of tough times for others, so yeah, extraordinary growth is going to be the norm for them. Every time there are problems in the US economy they profit massively. They already have reconstruction plans for Ukraine, and if Democrats / Uni-party types stay in charge, that's going to be another massive explosion in wealth for them.

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and then they will liquidate ALL that accumulated capital (no more stocks, bonds, other assets) to buy US homes (through voluntary transactions) and then...profit?

They wouldn't need to liquidate everything, just as you wouldn't need to liquidate everything in order to make purchases. They already own a ton of stuff. Fabricating such an absurd premise is a good indicator that you have no argument here.

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What is the end goal? To make us homeless? No one is going to sell their home unless they have purchased (or have a purchase agreement for) a new place to live.

The goal is ownership for them, and no ownership for us. People sell all the time without having a new place to live. In a bad economy they do it quite frequently. You know this but you think everyone else is too stupid to see through your framing.

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Raise the price with monopolistic power? Nope, plenty of land and plenty of lumber to build more. Plus if the price is too high, people just won't move.

Oh, so you think they're just buying property for no reason at all, right? Probably going to donate it all to the poor, aren't they?

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It's just the paranoid ravings of someone who has a little knowledge but even less sense. I know the world is complex and hard to understand and therefore scary, but for goodness sake man, use a little of the common sense the good Lord gave you.


Using insults as a summation. This confirms you have no facts and no argument here.
Posted by Guetteur
Member since Sep 2023
149 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 4:02 am to
Paranoia board please
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124154 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 4:10 am to
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Blackrock will own 70% of Homes in 6 years. We will own nothing.
Complicated subject.

(1) Blackrock does not "own" a bunch of single family homes. Larry Fink points that out early and often. However, Blackrock does invest in Single-Family Rental REITs (SFRRs) like INVH and AMH.

(2) Blackstone got into the Single-Family Rental market with Obama Administration help. It eventually spun off its SFRR (INVH), which is now one of the largest out there. Though Blackstone divested, Blackrock is now an investor. INVH Mkt Cap is $19B.

(3) INVH and Progress Residential (privately held by the Pritzker Organization) are the two largest SFRR players. PR's holdings and presumed value are similar to INVH. AMH Mkt Cap is ~$12B. There are a handful of other SFRRs, but at those mkt caps, they obviously comprise a small % of overall SFH RE value ($35T est).

(4) However, those lower SFRR home ownership numbers can be misleading in cases of market and price-range concentration. E.g., they've heavily hit Atlanta and tend to focus on what might otherwise be considered "starter homes".

(5) With regard to Blackrock, Blackrock doesn't really own anything. The investors in its ETFs are the owners. BLK uses its ETF holdings to wield influence. Eventually the question will come, does an individual cede shareholder voting rights to Larry Fink when participating in an ETF. Fink is currently playing the game as if those rights are indeed ceded.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4432 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 4:35 am to
They are taking our pension funds and 401ks and buying up entire neighborhoods, spiking the prices and converting them into rentals. Net effect. A housing bubble that makes homes out of reach for 70% of the public.

Homes for sale drop
Rental Homes Increase

Home prices go up. Rents go up. Home ownership becomes less affordable. Rent becomes less affordable.

It's not that complicated. It's obviously nefarious.
It's destructive to society.




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