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re: Big Bang theory wrong? Star older than Universe discovered - threat of ‘scientific crisis’

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Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:50 pm to
Truth is nobody really knows anything for sure. All the best scientific theories will be ridiculed in a few centuries for being ridiculously wrong.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27308 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:53 pm to
That’s how science works, isn’t it? If new data calls previous conclusions into question, new insights are gained and knowledge expands.

If the data indeed causes questioning of the timeline, then a new theory will have to be developed which accounts for the data.

Is this controversial?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:53 pm to
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If they say time doesn't exist, yeah.


Does anybody really know what time it is..
Does anybody really care?
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
28942 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:54 pm to
Are they saying the Bible was written by a guy named Jesus while he was incarcerated in a Mexican prison a few hundred years ago?
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22754 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:01 pm to
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Endless loop

this is called cosmological oscillation and it's not a viable theory for multiple reasons, one being that there isn't going to be a "big crunch." the universe expansion is increasing meaning the universe will die a heat death eventually


Well, yeah, I said I wasn't up on the latest theories. But I do know they're theories, and come and go over time as we come to understand more.

I want to say 25 years ago, maybe 30, I was extremely fascinated by these concepts, reasonably intelligent and imaginative, and had a lot of time to read up on things. By no means a mathematical genius or theorist, but I had a pretty decent handle on the concepts of the day.
What little I've looked into things recently, a lot of that stuff I learned has been discredited and scrapped.

I suspect in 25 more years, there will be a greater understanding, and lots of accepted speculation today will again be discarded.
I mean, consider- lots of particles etc are considered "real", because you have intricate equations with known data, and there are holes in the equation. You plug in a variable that makes things work, and you declare that variable to exist... when the only evidence it does, is that the equation requires it.
Maybe the equation is close, but off.
Posted by SmackDaniels
Gulf Breeze, FL
Member since Mar 2007
15364 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:08 pm to
But the Science is settled! BIG BANG DENIER!
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170363 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:10 pm to
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But the Science is settled! BIG BANG DENIER!

Eh nothing here invalidates the big bang

You sound kinda dumb tbh
Posted by Manzielathon
Death Valley
Member since Sep 2013
8951 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:15 pm to
I see this thread has attracted the usual idiots
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
13992 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:17 pm to
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The lunatics come out the woodwork.




Yeah! This time they are meeting in California.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:20 pm to
They need to stop. These science deniers who are questioning settled science should be silenced.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:21 pm to
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Yeah! This time they are meeting in California.


A lot of them are just going for the hippie chicks and pot.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27107 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:23 pm to
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My favorite part of this whole charade is that they think they “know” how much iron a star has that far away and how old it actually is.
We dont know shite. Those that do are guessing at best. Just like climate change. ....we have no clue how it operates.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12441 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:31 pm to
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but are they wrong?
If they say time doesn't exist, yeah.

There are multiple theories about the non-existence of time. They have nothing to do with the belief of God or lack thereof.
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33176 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:33 pm to
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Methuselah star”, or scientifically called HD 140283, is situated about 200 million lightyears away and has stumped experts.

Pretty sure that's been thoroughly covered by "experts"
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Analysis of the star showed that it contained very little iron content

Hmmmm. Some of yall gonna be a tad upset when you find out what else is bright as a star and has very little iron content
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0.7 billion years older than the Universe

And is older than the 'known universe'
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Its radiance was like that of a precious stone, like jasper, clear as crystal. The wall was constructed of jasper, while the structures were pure gold, clear as glass.

The foundations were every precious stone; the first course of stones was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh hyacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.

The gates were pearl, each of the gates made from a single pearl; and the streets were of pure gold, transparent as glass.

There was no need of sun or moon, for God gave it light, and its lamp was the Lamb.

jus' sayin'
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26247 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:36 pm to
Not quite as mysterious as we thought! Turns out the truth isn't quite crazy as it has been cracked up to be.

This star has not been pegged with an age older than the universe is thought to be. Actually the estimates for the star give a range of years. And only part of that range is outside of the age of the universe.

So scientist have so far found that its possible age actually could be within the time scale of our universe!
Posted by broski722
Member since Apr 2018
595 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:40 pm to
How did God come to be? What/who created God?
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1011 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:46 pm to
Q predicted this star
Posted by Blaeke
Member since Dec 2016
1041 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:52 pm to
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How did God come to be? What/who created God?


Checkmate, theists!

Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
76869 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:04 pm to
We will never be able to conceptualize or understand everything. It is better to just embrace the mystery instead.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19142 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:04 pm to
I don't find this a big deal. It could be that the dark energy has changed over time causing the expansion to speed up or slow down. They've known for decades that the expansion rate is increasing.

Also they used to put the age at over 14 billion years before they refined it to 13.8 billion. Could be earlier estimates were correct.
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