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re: Big Bang theory wrong? Star older than Universe discovered - threat of ‘scientific crisis’

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Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:36 pm to
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The lengths theists go through to justify their belief in God.



...says the atheist who must pretend to believe that either everything was created from nothing, or that all matter has existed forever
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:36 pm to
" A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far, away "....

....there was a Death Star
Posted by SD Tider
San Diego
Member since May 2019
2500 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:36 pm to
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Exactly, it is a fricking joke and these clowns are robbing ppl blind.


Not really. I mean yeah, the top tier physicists/astronomers probably do alright, but it’s not like they’re multi-millionaires.

They’re some of the smartest people on earth, they could probably do a lot better working in an industry, but most of them just really enjoy their research.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56417 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:38 pm to
Toldja

Any model that has a beginning point, preceded by nothing is something I've always said aliens hear and laugh about.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:39 pm to
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Very little of science is "settled"
the science of climate change is "settled" according to the left

the science of biological common descent is "settled" according to many people
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
16760 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:39 pm to
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No big deal. Every Big Bang has a little pre-ejaculation.


you win the internets for the day!
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:40 pm to
something cannot come from nothing

so, while GOD could have made it happen, I feel the big bang is BS.

why? study law of conservation of angular momentum along with some laws of thermodynamics.

Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:40 pm to
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The lengths theists go through to justify their belief in God.
but are they wrong?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21713 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:41 pm to
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...says the atheist who must pretend to believe that either everything was created from nothing, or that all matter has existed forever


Both sound more plausible than time not existing
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99010 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:41 pm to
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the science of climate change is "settled" according to the left

the science of biological common descent is "settled" according to many people


I was giggling when I read his post.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21713 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:42 pm to
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but are they wrong?


If they say time doesn't exist, yeah.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:43 pm to
Why? My post is accurate.

Bringing up examples of dumbasses doesn't negate that.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:44 pm to
None of that is believable
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:45 pm to
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why? study law of conservation of angular momentum along with some laws of thermodynamics
which is not applicable to the origins of the universe. ever heard of the planck epoch?

quote:

something cannot come from nothing
in this current universe you're right. outside of it, it's possible. especially if there is intervention
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:47 pm to
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If they say time doesn't exist, yeah
no. they could be wrong about that but still be right about god's existence.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20434 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:47 pm to
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I understand that it is almost incomprehensible for our minds to grasp, but I just don’t get how there was nothing and then something. I’m not using this to argue in favor of a god

I just literally cannot fathom the following 2 concepts

A) something always existing.....never having a beginning

B) there being nothing.....and then something.

I think it's all theoretical speculation, and I don't pretend to know the current favorite.

What I've seen suggested in some Sci Fi, is that things aren't infinite, and eventually gravity takes over. Expansion stops, black holes slowly suck everything up including each other, and everything becomes one primordial black hole. When the last bit of matter goes in, the mass reaches critical point, and boom- a Big Bang. Endless loop.

Not sure something could exist from a prior universe, as you'd assume a big bang would utterly destroy it. And that's assuming it could survive the near-infinite black hole pulling at it before the bang.

Re the big bang and religion, there's the line of thought that God actually explained the big bang to ancient mankind, and their primitive intellect couldn't grasp beyond "let there be Light".
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24275 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:48 pm to
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"The time may have come to think the unthinkable.” 


Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162237 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:49 pm to
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why? study law of conservation of angular momentum along with some laws of thermodynamics.


Right. I'm sure no astrophysicist has ever studied these topics and you have a superior understanding of these topics. If only you could give them a quick lecture to prove to them that they're all morons.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:49 pm to
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Endless loop
this is called cosmological oscillation and it's not a viable theory for multiple reasons, one being that there isn't going to be a "big crunch." the universe expansion is increasing meaning the universe will die a heat death eventually
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99010 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:49 pm to
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Why? My post is accurate


Yours was.

I was speaking about the morons that trot out the trope of "settled" science.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 8:51 pm
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