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I’m sure he did other things. But only thing I’m familiar with is Virgina Giufree saying she fricked him at the NY mansion when she was 17. Not condoning it, but consent in NY is 17


Giuffre alleges three sexual encounters with Randy Andy. One In London; one in Ny and one in Little Saint James Island. The latter she described as an orgy involving 8 other girls who “all looked to be under age 18”

“Sex ring” I presumed meant trafficking pursuant to the TVPA. As such, state age of consent laws would be meaningless as the statute defines the age as 18.

If I misunderstood your original post and you are asking whether Randy Andy has allegations of statutory rape, the only combining Guiffre testimony with the evidence of girls in the island being between 11 and 14 years old could you teach that conclusion. We will not get any namesof those victims so we can’t verify the ages for statutory rape purposes. We would only have it for TVPA purposes

If you are seeking other evidence on Randy Andy the new releases include the email to Epstein stating “we are in this together”. That appears to be what pissed off King Charles

If you are asking about convictions or likely convictions, only Epstein and Maxwell have been convicted and according to Todd Blanche there are 3MM documents being withheld due to, inter Alia, ongoing investigations. Thus unless the USVI or the UK up their game, there aren’t going to be others by the uS govt due to the NPA which has been ruled to be binding

. I don’t know of any sexual assault allegations in FL except against Epstein, Maxwell, and Marcinkova per the earlier linked Palm Beach Post article
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The files are out. Who has been implicated in actually participating in an underage sex ring?


Epstein and Maxwell were indicted for these items.

There appears to be a bit of evidence on Prince Andrew. ETC

Sarah Kellen (Vickers), Adriana Ross, Leslie Groff, and Nadia Marcinkova were given immunity in the NPA
Marcinkova was alleged to have had sex while Epstien watched, and Vickers was alleged to have taken pictures. Palm Beach Post

There have been allegations about Jay-Z, Pusha T, and Harvey Weinstein in a tip file, but there is nothing additional on any investigation,

As mentioned in another post Jean-Luc Brunel was being held for investigation NPR

There was a discussion about a "tall swedish blonde" with Anil Ambani, but there is no mention of the age or anything else about sexual conduct.

There may be others that I'm not aware of, but this is what I've gathered thus far.
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ll the women on the list, is this the female version of the same thing?


I haven't read original sources, but a lot of it sounds just like cold hard cash. Jean-Luc Brunel was alleged to have trafficked his models. Ghislain could have been a victim of abuse, but often it sounds like she was just trying to keep him happy and reduce her duties. (She once sent the email asking if anyone could give Jeff a blowjob tonight bc she didn't feel like doing it).

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Why would they need to do this if it's just resigning due to being friends with JE?


BoarEd can speak for himself, but it seems to be an idiom comparable with "on the hot seat"; "feeling the pressure", etc. and could be objectively true with lists of persons where "feeling the heat" would be appropriate such as:

(1) Steve Bannon
(2) Howard Lutnick
(3) the Gates Foundation
(4) Mette-Merit

and may be literally true with persons like Steve Tisch who is facing a conduct review by the NFL; and Casey Wasserman who is losing clients.


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Based around gifts and things of that sort, not illegal sexual activity


There is nothing in the thread title, the original post, or my post that relates in any way to that. I thought you fashioned yourself as being some expert in rhetoric. BoarEd has started a good thread to discuss fall out of the Epstein files. I presume you are dedicated to ruining that discussion.
Thorbjørn Jagland has also been charged with gross corruption. Debauchery and Dumbassery know no political bounds.
The NY Times provided the information on its search through the files which is at about 2-3% complete NY Times They have a whole section dedicated to the subject.

There is also an entire section on Financial Times FT including a discussion about the impact to the Gates foundation today.

Since the release, we have had a major philanthropic organization fall into ill repute, a British royal lose his title, and a scandal in the Norwegian Royal family. Peter Mandelson has had to step down as did Morgan McSweeney. Keir Starmer has fallen in bad graces due to his support of Mandelson. Thornberg Jagland has been charged with corruption. Fergie closed her trust. Sultan Ahmed bin Suleyman stepped down from DP World

In the US, Larry Summers, Kathy Rummeler, Brad Karp, and Peter Attia have all stepped down or lost jobs. Howard Lutnick is hanging on despite bipartisan requests for him to step down. Casey Wasserman is losing clients and Tisch is having Goodell review their franchises

Todd Blanche has stated that over 3 Million files have not been released. This is shaping up to more impactful than the Pentagon papers I bet if a Megathread was started here, we could probably get folks like BoarEd to help scour through the contents.
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Lost by 41


Bad couple of days for folks named Will
It sounds like he just was upset people didn’t recognize his “genius”

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former classmates and colleagues in Portugal are describing him as a talented but egotistical failed academic who could have been motivated by professional jealousy


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Filipe Moura, who taught Neves Valente as an undergraduate, said that Neves Valente had a "confrontational personality" and acted like knew everything in class


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He recalled that Neves Valente had an "unpleasant" attitude and was hostile to classmates who he didn't think were as "brilliant" as him.


Providence Journal

I’m sure we have all seen that archetype before and they can be very dangerous

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Woodpecker harrassment should never be tolerated. A man has to have a line, and this is a fitting one.


Yeah. F anybody that is being mean to woodpeckers
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Was she interviewed by the Post or asked to comment on a piece they were running?

There were a series of interviews published in Vanity Fair
Vanity Fair

Timing of interviews

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Throughout the past year, Wiles and I have spoken regularly about almost everything: the contents, and consequences, of the Epstein files; ICE’s brutal mass deportations; Elon Musk’s evisceration of USAID; the controversial deployment of the National Guard to US cities; the demolition of the East Wing; the lethal strikes on boats allegedly being piloted by drug smugglers—acts many have called war crimes; Trump’s physical and mental health; and whether he will defy the 22nd Amendment and try to stay on for a third term. Most senior White House officials parse their words and speak only on background. But over many on-the-record conversations, Wiles answer

re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters

Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 5:03 pm to
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We discovered at the same time that it was dated for 12/5. What could have Trump meant by saying he was "pardoning her today" in a post on 12/11? Is there any way to see when the 12/5 document was posted?


Website says it was updated today and it's the last entry. DOJ Pardon Attorney

WRT Trumps announcement— not sure. I surfed to this. I was looking for jurisprudence on WHEN a pardon was effective starting with the presumption that it was a property right only effective on delivery.

The Clemency document reads like a POA and delegation to the pardon attorney. They may have held it in abeyance in the event the habeas petition was granted to make a bigger splash. When the petition was dismissed, it served no PR purpose to hold it any longer Just guessing though

re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters

Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 4:26 pm to
Looks like it's out there now. Doj pardon attorney

ETA: it's also dated Dec 5 so I think that is prior to the writ being dismissed

re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters

Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 1:13 pm to
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Well that's the gist. If you're so clearly wrong and not only unremorseful for the crime, but still outwardly support the organization that inspired you to commit crimes, that risk of future crime gets higher. This isn't a jailhouse psychological sizing up based on gut.

I agree it can be annoying, and there are ways to statutorily fix this, but she's being treated like almost every other criminal defendant is.

It destroys the narrative that she was singled out or is being treated differently


Yes, there are commonalities to our concerns about structural issues in our systems, but there is still a point of departure.

Peters is not being treated the same as everyone else. We can show that the sentence is allowable, but we would struggle to find comparable situations where someone was punished at the same level for the same statutory offense. We would even struggle to find analagous punishments at that severity for analagous defenses. Indeed, the potential comparators happen to have the same political ideology at roughly the same point in our history.

Also, a potential remedy is statutory. As there does not appear to be legislative will to create such a remedy, then persons are naturally going to approach other remedies. Indeed, if the sole remedy was statutory, it would only be effectuated by raising the voices of the disaffected to such a level that legislative action would become fait accompli. That outpouring is the exact type of things these actions will accomplish.

re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters

Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 1:06 pm to
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The problem is similar to one with cults when they're prosecuted.

Those who admit the issues and repent and criticize the cult will get leniency. Those who refuse and keep promoting the cult will get hammered.

Example: Allison Mack (Got 3 years instead of 14-17) v. Clare Bronfman (81 months) in the Nxivm case.

Had Peters come out and say she was taken advantage of by Mike Lindell's agents during her grieving period for her son, and it was all nonsense that she believed due to this exploitation, and it's all bunk, etc., she probably gets 0 jail time.


Factually, there is no counterargument. Nevertheless, the example is easy distinguishable. If Tina Peters is allowed to proceed in her nefarious ways, we aren't in danger of her branding someone's genitals, or trafficking you women to JD Vance.

Instead, the worst that happens is she gets herself an internet account and posts conspiracy theories. Are we giving her 9 years because of the potential she corrupts the denizens of TigerDroppings?
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Her habeas petition was poured out of court.


Thanks. I missed that one. There is plenty to be learned here.

re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters

Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 12:30 pm to
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She could have been remorseful. The judge factored that part into her sentencing.


No thing in my intersection with the law has bugged me more than this bromide that has inserted itself into our system. If a wise jurist can determine whether the demeanor of someone makes it more likely than not the person will harm another that is one thing. If a person is going to harm someone more just because they don't bow and curtsy in the right way-- that is a tyrant in a robe.

She was not remorseful because she felt justified in her action. She may very well feel justified to try to break into public systems in the future, but we have a perfect remedy for that -- Don't allow her near public systems. There is no need to tack on years to the incarceration.

What's the worse that happens if she gets a proper sentence. Somebody posts on the internet that "X months? I'm tired of all this winning."

re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters

Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 12:24 pm to
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None of which has any bearing upon the simpletons who want to discard the Constitution and have Trump grant a Presidential pardon for a state crime.


I can't speak to what any other individual may want, but the SENTENCE was a political statement. It just was one that has a punitive aspect.

Political statements demand political responses. IIRC, there is an active petition for a writ due to Peters treatment in jail. An alternative political statement is for the chief executive to go to the news and demean the jurists hearing the writ and demand they do the right thing. In balance, I'd rather for the executive to act within their constituted powers than try to use the media to improperly invade another branch of government.

I think there is a time in my life when they appeal for a compassionate sentence commutation have been requested in private and honored by a governor in a different party. I may be waxing poetically in hindsight, but that time does not appear to be upon us now.

re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters

Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 12:17 pm to
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Did Rosa Parks commit a crime?


Yes, and she was convicted. Her record was never expunged, and she was never pardoned.

I think Aaron and Cyril are still alive if you want to hit them up to write a song about Tina Peters.

re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters

Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 12:04 pm to
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I was not aware that having a child die in the military constituted a lifelong pass from criminal prosecution.


This is why there is so much pushback. There are some "novel" legal theories in this thread, but amidst that noise is a coherent point.

You have a first time offender that normally possesses the types of attributes that would result in sentence mitigation. The crime itself has not deprived anyone of liberty, health, or tangible property. While it MAY cast doubt and trust in the government, the crime itself does not increase that beyond the current legal campaigns that question the legitimacy of the election.

Its impact is equivalent to breaking into a Congressional staffer's computer to make copies of their porn.

Nevertheless, the SENTENCE is 9 years. Her reputation, good deeds, etc. do read on that situation.

It's not about what could be done. It's about what was done, which seems disproportionate to any offense. That isn't the rule of law prevailing. That is a single judge being vindictive for a political purpose. This isn't about the legality of any action, its about the system's potential for abuse for political purposes. When that happens, you will certainly have others that wish to use the potential of that system to reciprocate.
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Has anybody heard an explanation of why they brought him back from El Salvador? The Administration had won by placing him beyond the jurisdiction of U.S. courts


He was indicted in Tennessee for human trafficking migrants When the indictment was presented to Nayib Bukel, he released him to DOJ custody ABC news

My take, there was getting to be some heat with all the orders on this trial and it was a way to get him back to both comply with tge order and reduce tension and save face on not looking like you are bowing to the judge