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Was she interviewed by the Post or asked to comment on a piece they were running?
There were a series of interviews published in Vanity Fair
Vanity Fair
Timing of interviews
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Throughout the past year, Wiles and I have spoken regularly about almost everything: the contents, and consequences, of the Epstein files; ICE’s brutal mass deportations; Elon Musk’s evisceration of USAID; the controversial deployment of the National Guard to US cities; the demolition of the East Wing; the lethal strikes on boats allegedly being piloted by drug smugglers—acts many have called war crimes; Trump’s physical and mental health; and whether he will defy the 22nd Amendment and try to stay on for a third term. Most senior White House officials parse their words and speak only on background. But over many on-the-record conversations, Wiles answer
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re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters
Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 5:03 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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We discovered at the same time that it was dated for 12/5. What could have Trump meant by saying he was "pardoning her today" in a post on 12/11? Is there any way to see when the 12/5 document was posted?
Website says it was updated today and it's the last entry. DOJ Pardon Attorney
WRT Trumps announcement— not sure. I surfed to this. I was looking for jurisprudence on WHEN a pardon was effective starting with the presumption that it was a property right only effective on delivery.
The Clemency document reads like a POA and delegation to the pardon attorney. They may have held it in abeyance in the event the habeas petition was granted to make a bigger splash. When the petition was dismissed, it served no PR purpose to hold it any longer Just guessing though
re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters
Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 4:26 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Looks like it's out there now. Doj pardon attorney
ETA: it's also dated Dec 5 so I think that is prior to the writ being dismissed
ETA: it's also dated Dec 5 so I think that is prior to the writ being dismissed
re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters
Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 1:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well that's the gist. If you're so clearly wrong and not only unremorseful for the crime, but still outwardly support the organization that inspired you to commit crimes, that risk of future crime gets higher. This isn't a jailhouse psychological sizing up based on gut.
I agree it can be annoying, and there are ways to statutorily fix this, but she's being treated like almost every other criminal defendant is.
It destroys the narrative that she was singled out or is being treated differently
Yes, there are commonalities to our concerns about structural issues in our systems, but there is still a point of departure.
Peters is not being treated the same as everyone else. We can show that the sentence is allowable, but we would struggle to find comparable situations where someone was punished at the same level for the same statutory offense. We would even struggle to find analagous punishments at that severity for analagous defenses. Indeed, the potential comparators happen to have the same political ideology at roughly the same point in our history.
Also, a potential remedy is statutory. As there does not appear to be legislative will to create such a remedy, then persons are naturally going to approach other remedies. Indeed, if the sole remedy was statutory, it would only be effectuated by raising the voices of the disaffected to such a level that legislative action would become fait accompli. That outpouring is the exact type of things these actions will accomplish.
re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters
Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The problem is similar to one with cults when they're prosecuted.
Those who admit the issues and repent and criticize the cult will get leniency. Those who refuse and keep promoting the cult will get hammered.
Example: Allison Mack (Got 3 years instead of 14-17) v. Clare Bronfman (81 months) in the Nxivm case.
Had Peters come out and say she was taken advantage of by Mike Lindell's agents during her grieving period for her son, and it was all nonsense that she believed due to this exploitation, and it's all bunk, etc., she probably gets 0 jail time.
Factually, there is no counterargument. Nevertheless, the example is easy distinguishable. If Tina Peters is allowed to proceed in her nefarious ways, we aren't in danger of her branding someone's genitals, or trafficking you women to JD Vance.
Instead, the worst that happens is she gets herself an internet account and posts conspiracy theories. Are we giving her 9 years because of the potential she corrupts the denizens of TigerDroppings?
re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters
Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 1:03 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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Her habeas petition was poured out of court.
Thanks. I missed that one. There is plenty to be learned here.
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She could have been remorseful. The judge factored that part into her sentencing.
No thing in my intersection with the law has bugged me more than this bromide that has inserted itself into our system. If a wise jurist can determine whether the demeanor of someone makes it more likely than not the person will harm another that is one thing. If a person is going to harm someone more just because they don't bow and curtsy in the right way-- that is a tyrant in a robe.
She was not remorseful because she felt justified in her action. She may very well feel justified to try to break into public systems in the future, but we have a perfect remedy for that -- Don't allow her near public systems. There is no need to tack on years to the incarceration.
What's the worse that happens if she gets a proper sentence. Somebody posts on the internet that "X months? I'm tired of all this winning."
re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters
Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 12:24 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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None of which has any bearing upon the simpletons who want to discard the Constitution and have Trump grant a Presidential pardon for a state crime.
I can't speak to what any other individual may want, but the SENTENCE was a political statement. It just was one that has a punitive aspect.
Political statements demand political responses. IIRC, there is an active petition for a writ due to Peters treatment in jail. An alternative political statement is for the chief executive to go to the news and demean the jurists hearing the writ and demand they do the right thing. In balance, I'd rather for the executive to act within their constituted powers than try to use the media to improperly invade another branch of government.
I think there is a time in my life when they appeal for a compassionate sentence commutation have been requested in private and honored by a governor in a different party. I may be waxing poetically in hindsight, but that time does not appear to be upon us now.
re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters
Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 12:17 pm to Dex Morgan
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Did Rosa Parks commit a crime?
Yes, and she was convicted. Her record was never expunged, and she was never pardoned.
I think Aaron and Cyril are still alive if you want to hit them up to write a song about Tina Peters.
re: Trump Pardons Tina Peters
Posted by dukkbill on 12/12/25 at 12:04 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
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I was not aware that having a child die in the military constituted a lifelong pass from criminal prosecution.
This is why there is so much pushback. There are some "novel" legal theories in this thread, but amidst that noise is a coherent point.
You have a first time offender that normally possesses the types of attributes that would result in sentence mitigation. The crime itself has not deprived anyone of liberty, health, or tangible property. While it MAY cast doubt and trust in the government, the crime itself does not increase that beyond the current legal campaigns that question the legitimacy of the election.
Its impact is equivalent to breaking into a Congressional staffer's computer to make copies of their porn.
Nevertheless, the SENTENCE is 9 years. Her reputation, good deeds, etc. do read on that situation.
It's not about what could be done. It's about what was done, which seems disproportionate to any offense. That isn't the rule of law prevailing. That is a single judge being vindictive for a political purpose. This isn't about the legality of any action, its about the system's potential for abuse for political purposes. When that happens, you will certainly have others that wish to use the potential of that system to reciprocate.
re: Judge orders Abrego Garcia’s immediate release from ICE custody
Posted by dukkbill on 12/11/25 at 4:24 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Has anybody heard an explanation of why they brought him back from El Salvador? The Administration had won by placing him beyond the jurisdiction of U.S. courts
He was indicted in Tennessee for human trafficking migrants When the indictment was presented to Nayib Bukel, he released him to DOJ custody ABC news
My take, there was getting to be some heat with all the orders on this trial and it was a way to get him back to both comply with tge order and reduce tension and save face on not looking like you are bowing to the judge
re: ICE agents wrongfully detained U.S. citizen in Minneapolis (Vid in article)
Posted by dukkbill on 12/11/25 at 1:23 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Where are they claiming this? Can you give examples?
There have been claims by advocacy groups but I don't know if any were substantiated. For instance
National immigration Project last month regarding a purported nationalized citizen
ACLU in April regarding 3 minor children
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This, if true, is the first I’ve heard of an American being wrongfully detained which speaks volumes about how well Ice does its job
The House is currently holding hearings and the ProPublica article with their count of 170 was entered in the Record House meeting docs
The Senate subcommittee oninvestigations has released a minority report with Qualitative data on 22 detentions Senate minority report
re: Judge orders Abrego Garcia’s immediate release from ICE custody
Posted by dukkbill on 12/11/25 at 12:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Seriously, why hasn't he been deported?
Current court order that blocks most locations. They were working on Liberia last time ABC has a timeline
re: More AG bailouts on the way
Posted by dukkbill on 12/11/25 at 7:59 am to Midtiger farm
Is that a crop specific thing —like too much soy but not enough coffee? Are we able to incentivize other crops or are the imports things we can't do?
re: Marco Rubio Prohibits Wasteful DEI Fonts
Posted by dukkbill on 12/10/25 at 8:26 am to LegendInMyMind
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I think they should all be required to use Wingdings.
If you got those deep state spirit cookers again, they might try to use Hell-vetica. We should just have one big beautiful font that we make as the official font of America
Marco Rubio Prohibits Wasteful DEI Fonts
Posted by dukkbill on 12/10/25 at 5:12 am
Reuters
Rubio has prohibited the Commielibri font in the State Department and ordered a return to Times New Roman
Rubio has prohibited the Commielibri font in the State Department and ordered a return to Times New Roman
re: Trump says there will be evidence coming out proving the 2020 election was stolen
Posted by dukkbill on 12/9/25 at 8:35 pm to boosiebadazz
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Honestly bros, I’m struggling with what happens if the white hats don’t win. Either means the Deep State won or we were fed a bunch of malarkey the whole time. Not sure which is scarier.
It could be like Snowpiercer where the white hats are really the Deep State
re: Alina Habba resigns due to activist judge’s - will remain in the DOJ until reversal
Posted by dukkbill on 12/8/25 at 4:45 pm to JimEverett
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Haven't they tried? Blue slips or something? The Senate Judiciary Cmte wouldn't vote on her to send it to the full Senate.
Her nomination ( along with tons of other nominations ) was pending. She was named the interim after a vacancy by the then USAtty. The clock ran out on her interim appointment and the statute doesn’t allow reappointment if a nomination is pending Senate confirmation. The admin pulled the nomination so that portion of the statute wouldn’t disqualify her from reappointment
The district court judges voted to nominate a different successor. Trump fired the new successor and appointed Habba again but as a new appointment rather than as a reappointment. Some criminal defendants sued saying their indictment was unlawful bc Habba appointment was unlawful. The district court judges court ruled in favor of the criminal defendants. Habba appealed and the Third Circuit court of appeals affirmed the lower court decision.
She has now resigned. She may end up doing most of the same work but unless the USSC overturns the Third Circuit decision, she can’t act as the USAtty in an official capacity. Trump could nominate her again to let it go through the Senate
re: Grand Jury Refuses to Indict Letitia James For Mortgage Fraud
Posted by dukkbill on 12/5/25 at 1:26 pm to boosiebadazz
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I want to know who presented the case for the government. Is Halligan 0-2 now?
Roger Keller NY post
Halligan is still active though as the DOJ has taken the position that since the court order didn’t expressly remove her, she can stay on the job. Some judges are removing her name from the pleadings though. NY Times
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lot of economics might just be based on the whims of humans at any given moment.
Largely the field of behavioral economics. Univ of chicago
It’s a huge weak spot of those that model based on completely rational actors
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