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Balkanization of America - Why it would be a good thing
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:39 am
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:39 am
Europe has 22 countries with populations smaller than Louisiana.
Europe has 42 countries with populations smaller than Texas or California; Europe has only 6 countries with larger populations.
Yet…all of these 50 or so countries have their own military forces, their own sovereign borders, their own trade agreements that benefit their populaces, their own right to determine their national interests and so on.
Our Constitution was hijacked after the War Between the States when the 14th Amendment was ratified by states run by Occupiers, Carpetbaggers, Scalawags and other sundry characters.
This talk of state secession or a national divorce sounds strange unless we look at Europe. As we have many states with larger GDPs then most of their countries - and we all know would be even more productive if we removed the shackles of federal regulations and international trade agreements.
The biggest barrier I see to accomplishing this is the current balkanization within the individual states such as the ailing cities that drain on every resource and are artificially propped up by Federal welfare programs and the myriad of grants and loans.
These parasitic cities will not want to be part of the states whose populations vote to secede. Maybe they can become their own city-states and continue their implosion while the populations surrounding have healthy border protection and visa controls.
Just my musings, but when we have evil clowns like Biden saying we need F-15s to protect ourselves from the Federal govt, I agree and raise him one by saying let’s secede!
Europe has 42 countries with populations smaller than Texas or California; Europe has only 6 countries with larger populations.
Yet…all of these 50 or so countries have their own military forces, their own sovereign borders, their own trade agreements that benefit their populaces, their own right to determine their national interests and so on.
Our Constitution was hijacked after the War Between the States when the 14th Amendment was ratified by states run by Occupiers, Carpetbaggers, Scalawags and other sundry characters.
This talk of state secession or a national divorce sounds strange unless we look at Europe. As we have many states with larger GDPs then most of their countries - and we all know would be even more productive if we removed the shackles of federal regulations and international trade agreements.
The biggest barrier I see to accomplishing this is the current balkanization within the individual states such as the ailing cities that drain on every resource and are artificially propped up by Federal welfare programs and the myriad of grants and loans.
These parasitic cities will not want to be part of the states whose populations vote to secede. Maybe they can become their own city-states and continue their implosion while the populations surrounding have healthy border protection and visa controls.
Just my musings, but when we have evil clowns like Biden saying we need F-15s to protect ourselves from the Federal govt, I agree and raise him one by saying let’s secede!
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:43 am to ValhallaAwaits
yeah and just think of all those warm water ports comrade
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:43 am to ValhallaAwaits
the argument will be but what about the blue cities in red states and vice versa.
deport them all or convert. inquisition style.
if you wanna vote blue gtfo and go to a blue state. we are not a blue state. nobody wants to live with these evil commie clowns anymore.
send them all to cali, NY, illinois, and they can destroy each other off as those nation-states turn into 3rd world shitholes.
deport them all or convert. inquisition style.
if you wanna vote blue gtfo and go to a blue state. we are not a blue state. nobody wants to live with these evil commie clowns anymore.
send them all to cali, NY, illinois, and they can destroy each other off as those nation-states turn into 3rd world shitholes.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:44 am to ValhallaAwaits
I agree as long as there is never any type of federal government or anything resembling the European Union.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:45 am to BuzzSaw 12
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I agree as long as there is never any type of federal government or anything resembling the European Union.
agreed. separate nation-states from the dissolved old union.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 11:56 am
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:53 am to ValhallaAwaits
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These parasitic cities will not want to be part of the states whose populations vote to secede. Maybe they can become their own city-states and continue their implosion while the populations surrounding have healthy border protection and visa controls.
nah. do like i said in above post. you will have to purge them and deport them to blue states. NOLA and atlanta and memphis would turn bright red.
send the transplants to LA, SF, NYC, chicago, etc.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:53 am to BuzzSaw 12
True. A common trade agreement with other states would be easy; the securing of each states borders and customs duties/enforcement would be difficult but worth it in the long run.
Look at Poland; they just voted overwhelmingly to allow their border guards to shoot to kill illegal border crossers. All across Europe they’re either opening their borders to homogenize their native born populations or closing them down to protect their historical cultures.
Look at Poland; they just voted overwhelmingly to allow their border guards to shoot to kill illegal border crossers. All across Europe they’re either opening their borders to homogenize their native born populations or closing them down to protect their historical cultures.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 11:56 am to ValhallaAwaits
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Look at Poland; they just voted overwhelmingly to allow their border guards to shoot to kill illegal border crossers.
that is what shoulda been happening here for decades
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:03 pm to ValhallaAwaits
In the long run yes. The first several years would be chaotic though.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:07 pm to Demonbengal
Turns out ... The Articles of Confederate weren't so bad.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:09 pm to ValhallaAwaits
I don’t want to be more like Europe
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:13 pm to Demonbengal
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The first several decades would be chaotic though.
FIFY
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:15 pm to Fat Bastard
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what about the blue cities in red states
A lot of them will self deport with no welfare
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:29 pm to ValhallaAwaits
Go spend some time in the former Yugoslavia and get back to us with how well it functions.
How about we just learn to live with “give and take”? No matter how finely you slice it, you will still have differences.
Learn how to deal with them.
How about we just learn to live with “give and take”? No matter how finely you slice it, you will still have differences.
Learn how to deal with them.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:44 pm to ValhallaAwaits
The process you describe wouldn't have to be violent, it could be done peacefully, but the corrupt and rotten parasite which is the federal government would never allow it. We would have to fight for it like our founding fathers did.
In fact, the Declaration of Independence says it's our right and duty to do so.
The divide is between rural and urban people.
There are 3,141 counties in the U.S. Trump won 3,084. Clinton won 57.
In fact, the Declaration of Independence says it's our right and duty to do so.
The divide is between rural and urban people.
There are 3,141 counties in the U.S. Trump won 3,084. Clinton won 57.
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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on ...
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:51 pm to ValhallaAwaits
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All across Europe they’re either opening their borders to homogenize their native born populations or closing them down to protect their historical cultures.
It only took 50+ years for them to determine this is the proper course of action.
We're out of time here in the US, and I'm afraid our complacency after the 2020 steal was the point of no turning back, and we have passed the event horizon (or maybe are about to). What will we do when they rinse and repeat and steal 2024 for the Potato again? Our collective response (or lack thereof) may well determine the fate of this nation.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 12:55 pm to ValhallaAwaits
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Balkanization of America - Why it would be a good thing
I would look at their dead.
Easy words for you to say while just happily skipping over the millions killed.
I'll fight for the Constitution. You fight over anarchy.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:21 pm to ValhallaAwaits
When you wake up, I suspect your wife has some jobs for you to do around the house.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:32 pm to ValhallaAwaits
It increasingly appears the UniParty®, the Deep State, the global elite, the 0.001%, the Oligarchs of the New World Order, the Illuminati, whatever you want to call them, will let our civil society fall into violent degradation to maintain their grip on power. Once that happens, all bets are off.
It is not going to be a war between Blue State soy-boys and Red State patriots massing for control over the government as many here imagine. It will be a war by the Deep State against all.
We all know who wins that battle. Yet it doesn’t have to end like that: secession and nullification are tools gifted to us at our nation’s founding that enables us to avoid such a violent ending.
Just to have secession as a legitimate bargaining tool would be a tremendous transfer of power to the individual states. Our nation was indeed founded upon the right to address irreconcilable differences through political separatism — on that matter there is no debate:
“Whether we remain in one confederacy, or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederacies, believe not very important to the happiness of either part. Those of the western confederacy will be as much our children & descendants as those of the eastern.... I now foresee a separation at some future day, yet should feel the duty & the desire to promote the western interests as zealously as the eastern, doing all the good for both portions of our future family...” Thomas Jefferson, January 29, 1804 letter to Dr. Joseph Priestly.

It is not going to be a war between Blue State soy-boys and Red State patriots massing for control over the government as many here imagine. It will be a war by the Deep State against all.
We all know who wins that battle. Yet it doesn’t have to end like that: secession and nullification are tools gifted to us at our nation’s founding that enables us to avoid such a violent ending.
Just to have secession as a legitimate bargaining tool would be a tremendous transfer of power to the individual states. Our nation was indeed founded upon the right to address irreconcilable differences through political separatism — on that matter there is no debate:
“Whether we remain in one confederacy, or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederacies, believe not very important to the happiness of either part. Those of the western confederacy will be as much our children & descendants as those of the eastern.... I now foresee a separation at some future day, yet should feel the duty & the desire to promote the western interests as zealously as the eastern, doing all the good for both portions of our future family...” Thomas Jefferson, January 29, 1804 letter to Dr. Joseph Priestly.

This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:34 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Will never happen. Lincoln sat the standard to use the millitary to kill your own people. Any secession will be met with bloodshed.
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