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re: Balkanization of America - Why it would be a good thing
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:38 pm to ValhallaAwaits
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:38 pm to ValhallaAwaits
Russia, China and others would love to see that happen.
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Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:42 pm to cwil1
This is hilarious. You guys should write comedy full time. The name Idiocracy has already been used.
Maybe......STUPIDITY !?
Maybe......STUPIDITY !?
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:43 pm to ValhallaAwaits
China and Russia would love this……
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:48 pm to KiwiHead
Do you think I support Balkanization? I was just stating truth. Secession will be met with force. Leave me out of your debates.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:49 pm to BuzzSaw 12
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I agree as long as there is never any type of federal government or anything resembling the European Union.
We would always have that. There's no way that the other states are going to cede the mouth of the Mississippi River solely to Louisiana. We'd be in a state of perpetual war.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 1:57 pm to cwil1
Whose debating? I'm enjoying the show.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 2:05 pm to KiwiHead
As am I.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 2:10 pm to cwil1
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Any secession will be met with bloodshed.
As I indicated above, any attempt at violent separatism will end in a triumphant Deep State. “Balkanization” itself is a fear-porn term used by Statists to justify an overbearing tyrannical state to preclude violent sectarian conflicts.
Yet separatist movements, like divorces, do not necessarily have to be acrimonious and violent. What I advocate is peaceful political secession.
I certainly do not seek to impose the predominate cultural values of Alabama upon the citizens of, say, San Francisco’s Castro district. This philosophy of “live and let live” should likewise be reciprocated to the citizens of Alabama.
What I am advocating is indeed letting Alabama be Alabama and likewise letting California be California. We could call such a system of governance — oh I don’t know — “Federalism?”
True freedom entails the possibility that citizens in differing regions of the nation may engage in cultural conduct that other regions may oppose. Yet such a laissez-faire attitude protects the individual liberty of both the hedonist and the virtuous, the heathen and the devout.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 2:14 pm to ValhallaAwaits
The realignment of North America is the best path forward. Yes some folks on both sides the political spectrum will have to move but to live in a nation state of like kind people with like kind beliefs/ideals will be a generation changing event for the good of your lineage.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:16 pm to ValhallaAwaits
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Yet…all of these 50 or so countries have their own military forces, their own sovereign borders, their own trade agreements that benefit their populaces, their own right to determine their national interests and so on.
The European Union disagrees.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:21 pm to cwil1
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Lincoln sat the standard to use the millitary to kill your own people.
“Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world”.
Abraham Lincoln – U.S. Congress, 1847
A little over 10 years later after the South attempted precisely that, Lincoln, when asked, “Why not let the South go in peace”? replied; “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government”? “And, what then will become of my tariff”?
Abraham Lincoln to Virginia Compromise Delegation March 1861
And that is why he did it. Economic control and to strip the South of political power.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:33 pm to AU86
It was John Baldwin from Virginia who claimed Lincoln said that. However, he said it after Lincoln's death. So we have no proof if he actually did.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:36 pm to cwil1
Do we.have proof that Lincoln made the statement in Congress in 1847?
Lincoln was a damn hypocrite and a tyrant. Why do you think that he tried to reinforce/hold onto Ft. Sumter? Could it be that is where/one of the places that tarrifs were collected at the time?
Lincoln was a damn hypocrite and a tyrant. Why do you think that he tried to reinforce/hold onto Ft. Sumter? Could it be that is where/one of the places that tarrifs were collected at the time?
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:40 pm to AU86
My people fought against Lincoln and he only got 1000 votes in KY. Trust me, I know. But I don't believe he said that. There's plenty of other quotes you could pull, that are verifiable.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:42 pm to cwil1
So, probably bullshite?
Bunch of malcontents who still can't handle the fact that the North handed the South its arse.....can't accept the loss, makes excuses.....maybe MAGA is for them
Bunch of malcontents who still can't handle the fact that the North handed the South its arse.....can't accept the loss, makes excuses.....maybe MAGA is for them
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:45 pm to KiwiHead
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Probably
I guess it would be up to who's word you are willing to take wouldn't it?
Shut the hell up you liberal a-hole.
You seem to be the exact type of turd to live in that liberal shithole New Zealand.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:48 pm to cwil1
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My people fought against Lincoln and he only got 1000 votes in KY.
The place where he allowed Bull Nelson to violate Kentucky's neutrality while basically holding it, Maryland and Missouri in the Union by the bayonet.
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:54 pm to AU86
Yes, that, and Kentucky's unionists. Were ''conditional unionists'' meaning. They were for union, as long as slavery was allowed. To them, a confederacy was very risk for slavery. The union offered better protection than the confederacy. So they were pro-union. Not in the same way northern states were pro-union. This is a big misconception among the civil war. People don't really know the political differences back then. States didn't leave or stay based on geography.
When Lincoln issued the EP and started recruiting Kentucky slaves to the union army. Kentucky's union support eroded. When martial law was delcared in 1864. And pro-confederate kentuckians were shot in the streets. It was gone completely. And yes, Nelson did violate it first. Lincoln shipped rifles into the state, for Nelson to give to recruits.
But the state legislature was made up of those unionists I said before. So they used Polk's invasion as an excuse to stay in the union. When in reality, it was because they felt slavery, would be better protected federally. This caused the state to send 64 delegates from 67 out of 114 counties. To Logan county, KY. Denouncing the state legislature. And seceding from the union. This is why KY is on the confederate flag.
When Lincoln issued the EP and started recruiting Kentucky slaves to the union army. Kentucky's union support eroded. When martial law was delcared in 1864. And pro-confederate kentuckians were shot in the streets. It was gone completely. And yes, Nelson did violate it first. Lincoln shipped rifles into the state, for Nelson to give to recruits.
But the state legislature was made up of those unionists I said before. So they used Polk's invasion as an excuse to stay in the union. When in reality, it was because they felt slavery, would be better protected federally. This caused the state to send 64 delegates from 67 out of 114 counties. To Logan county, KY. Denouncing the state legislature. And seceding from the union. This is why KY is on the confederate flag.
This post was edited on 7/13/24 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 7/13/24 at 3:55 pm to AU86
Touched a nerve, hmmmm? South making excuses for the ill conceived Lost Cause....turns out the North didn't need Virginia, afterall
Posted on 7/13/24 at 4:13 pm to TigerAxeOK
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We're out of time here in the US, and I'm afraid our complacency after the 2020 steal was the point of no turning back
The American people handled BLM, Antifa, COVID, and 2020 perfectly. In many of those instances, any riot, counter protest, or uprising would have resulted in stricter penalties (a la lockdowns or something akin to the trucker protest in Canada).
Many people chose the simple path of “Do not comply.” And it’s paying dividends.
Shaming Trump voters and harassing the man himself as a means to demoralize. DO NOT COMPLY. Continue to vote for him. Continue to support him.
Mask mandates, vaccine mandates? DO NOT COMPLY. They all disappeared and now employers and the govt are up to their ears in lawsuits.
Gender identity nonsense? DO NOT COMPLY. No pronouns. None of it in schools. No surgeries and puberty blockers for kids. 22 states now have legislation preventing these kind of procedures for children.
Joetato. DO NOT COMPLY. Give them no excuse to clamp down. Don’t protest. Wait it out. Let it fall apart. And his candidacy is disintegrating right in front of our eyes.
Meanwhile, the SC has handed conservatives a ton of decisions that preserve freedoms and reduce the trip of the administrative state over people and states. (Wait for the J6 lawsuits and Trump’s lawsuits for malicious prosecution.)
Don’t confuse patience with apathy.
Sometimes the best way to deal with tyrants is not to comply.
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