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re: Are drivers licenses an example of government overreach?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:44 am to Jbird
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:44 am to Jbird
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bullshite
You love to speak authoritatively about things you have no idea about, don't you? You also seem to really enjoy being wrong.
New Orleans school zone traffic camera tickets are now being issued at lower speeds
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:45 am to 4cubbies
Well you should have challenged that ticket assuming you actually got one. 
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:50 am to 4cubbies
this OP and all of your rebuttals:


Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:51 am to 4cubbies
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I wouldn't want to live next door to a large facility
I know. It’s why I called you a nimby.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:55 am to 4cubbies
Most government is government overreach, but damn it you're going to make libertarian arguments maybe make them better so us actual libertarians don't look like morons.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:56 am to 4cubbies
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I think rehabilitating them would serve society. Punishing them doesn't actually benefit society in any way.
This is a fairy tale.
Why stop there? Why wouldn't government just instill the right values from the start of these people's lives? Why wait until incarceration? It seems dumb to wait until damage has been done.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:02 am to 4cubbies
With all of the worries domestically and geo -politically...this is what bothers you?
I think that DL"s should go for 10 years valid. But some will get in the weeds and argue checking grandpa's eyesight can save lives.
Mexicans/other illegals-get in wrecks kill people and rarely have a DL much less insurance. You wouldn't know this living in one state.
Inspection is asinine in a lot of states especially the commonwealth states.
But then again...one can argue that in states with hills and mountains- checking the brakes by force of inspection saves lives.
I think that DL"s should go for 10 years valid. But some will get in the weeds and argue checking grandpa's eyesight can save lives.
Mexicans/other illegals-get in wrecks kill people and rarely have a DL much less insurance. You wouldn't know this living in one state.
Inspection is asinine in a lot of states especially the commonwealth states.
But then again...one can argue that in states with hills and mountains- checking the brakes by force of inspection saves lives.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:06 am to 4cubbies
They already have a case on this. You have a right to movement but you don’t have a right to operate a vehicle on a public road.
There are no restrictions if you operate on private land such as a 10,000 acre ranch. You can drive at any age, no insurance (affidavit of non use on a public road), no inspections. You just can’t take it into town.
There are no restrictions if you operate on private land such as a 10,000 acre ranch. You can drive at any age, no insurance (affidavit of non use on a public road), no inspections. You just can’t take it into town.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:07 am to 4cubbies
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I think rehabilitating them would serve society. Punishing them doesn't actually benefit society in any way
I would like to see data that says how good rehab is for prisoners.
Punishment may not work, but it is something. I am not sure one can rehab career criminals.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:25 am to 4cubbies
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If laws kept society safe, our prison population wouldn’t be so robust.
That is way off the topic you started, but I agree. I also agree that the bulk of traffic laws are for revenue generation and nothing more. Of course many laws are from insurance lobbies believe it or not. The seatbelt law for one.
But as far as your original topic, it can be summed up quite quickly.
Yes, we are free to travel. But in this modern age we cannot just hop on a horse and go. We have much different modes of travel. All of these modes are services supplied by others. Just like there are rules for riding a train, a boat or flying on a plane, there are rules to driving on the roadway. Quite simply roadways are a service provided to you by another. Even if government did not provide that road, some other entity would. There would still be a cost associated with the use of that road.
Yes, these costs are very cumbersome and over the top these days. I will concede that to anyone. Still, I see no way to change it without total destruction of the PTB. We already see voting doesn't work so there would have to be more drastic changes and at my age, I do not wish to live through to hardships that entails.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:31 am to SallysHuman
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Simmer down Scotty... I was having fun, this board isn't real life.
Weve seen your other posts. Its a message board, we dont have to play nice
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:35 am to scottydoesntknow
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Weve seen your other posts
We who? You got a mouse in yer pocket or just multiple personalities?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:35 am to UtahCajun
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I would like to see data that says how good rehab is for prisoners.
One must accept that some people are inherently bad and can't be changed.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:54 am to Jbird
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Well you should have challenged that ticket assuming you actually got one.
I broke the law. Gotta take my bullshite lick and avoid that street next school year.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:57 am to Jcorye1
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but damn it you're going to make libertarian arguments maybe make them better so us actual libertarians don't look like morons.
Why didn't you attempt to make a better argument?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:58 am to 4cubbies
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Humans have the right to travel freely without permission from the state.
You are not required to travel via POV. You can freely travel via means that don't require a license or insurance.
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Mandating a drivers license operates on the assumption of incompetence.
Your posts operate that way too. We all know your are incompetent, dishonest, poorly educated, and just plain stupid.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:59 am to UtahCajun
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I would like to see data that says how good rehab is for prisoners.
Norway boasts one of the lowest recidivism rates globally, with about 20% of released inmates reoffending within two years and 25% within five years. This is significantly lower than recidivism rates in the U.S., which can be as high as 70%. Norway's success is attributed to a rehabilitation-focused approach to incarceration, emphasizing reintegration into society.
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I am not sure one can rehab career criminals.
We would have to try to find out.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:59 am to 4cubbies
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You love to speak authoritatively about things you have no idea about, don't you? You also seem to really enjoy being wrong.
New Orleans school zone traffic camera tickets are now being issued at lower speeds
So, to clarify, you got a ticket for speeding in a school zone and you think that's government overreach?
This isn't like going 60 in a 55. At lower speeds, accelerated speed i more noticeable. When in a school zone, everyone knows not to go over the speed limit. It's for protection of children that can dart out in front of cars. Slower cars have an easier time stopping. It's called reaction time relevant to velocity.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:00 pm to 4cubbies
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Norway boasts one of the lowest recidivism rates globally, with about 20% of released inmates reoffending within two years and 25% within five years. This is significantly lower than recidivism rates in the U.S.
You think comparing Norway and the US is appropriate?
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