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re: Are drivers licenses an example of government overreach?

Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:44 am to
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61407 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:44 am to
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bullshite



You love to speak authoritatively about things you have no idea about, don't you? You also seem to really enjoy being wrong.


New Orleans school zone traffic camera tickets are now being issued at lower speeds
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90618 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:45 am to
Well you should have challenged that ticket assuming you actually got one.
Posted by tiger789
on the bayou
Member since Dec 2008
2506 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:47 am to
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going 24 in a 20.













Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74858 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:50 am to
this OP and all of your rebuttals:

Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38455 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:51 am to
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I wouldn't want to live next door to a large facility


I know. It’s why I called you a nimby.

Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:55 am to
Most government is government overreach, but damn it you're going to make libertarian arguments maybe make them better so us actual libertarians don't look like morons.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63050 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:56 am to
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I think rehabilitating them would serve society. Punishing them doesn't actually benefit society in any way.


This is a fairy tale.

Why stop there? Why wouldn't government just instill the right values from the start of these people's lives? Why wait until incarceration? It seems dumb to wait until damage has been done.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167453 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:02 am to
With all of the worries domestically and geo -politically...this is what bothers you?

I think that DL"s should go for 10 years valid. But some will get in the weeds and argue checking grandpa's eyesight can save lives.

Mexicans/other illegals-get in wrecks kill people and rarely have a DL much less insurance. You wouldn't know this living in one state.

Inspection is asinine in a lot of states especially the commonwealth states.

But then again...one can argue that in states with hills and mountains- checking the brakes by force of inspection saves lives.

Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
10001 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:06 am to
They already have a case on this. You have a right to movement but you don’t have a right to operate a vehicle on a public road.

There are no restrictions if you operate on private land such as a 10,000 acre ranch. You can drive at any age, no insurance (affidavit of non use on a public road), no inspections. You just can’t take it into town.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
5643 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:07 am to
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I think rehabilitating them would serve society. Punishing them doesn't actually benefit society in any way


I would like to see data that says how good rehab is for prisoners.

Punishment may not work, but it is something. I am not sure one can rehab career criminals.
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
5643 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:25 am to
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If laws kept society safe, our prison population wouldn’t be so robust.


That is way off the topic you started, but I agree. I also agree that the bulk of traffic laws are for revenue generation and nothing more. Of course many laws are from insurance lobbies believe it or not. The seatbelt law for one.

But as far as your original topic, it can be summed up quite quickly.

Yes, we are free to travel. But in this modern age we cannot just hop on a horse and go. We have much different modes of travel. All of these modes are services supplied by others. Just like there are rules for riding a train, a boat or flying on a plane, there are rules to driving on the roadway. Quite simply roadways are a service provided to you by another. Even if government did not provide that road, some other entity would. There would still be a cost associated with the use of that road.

Yes, these costs are very cumbersome and over the top these days. I will concede that to anyone. Still, I see no way to change it without total destruction of the PTB. We already see voting doesn't work so there would have to be more drastic changes and at my age, I do not wish to live through to hardships that entails.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10870 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:31 am to
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Simmer down Scotty... I was having fun, this board isn't real life.


Weve seen your other posts. Its a message board, we dont have to play nice
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
21748 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:35 am to
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Weve seen your other posts


We who? You got a mouse in yer pocket or just multiple personalities?
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
25893 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:35 am to
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I would like to see data that says how good rehab is for prisoners.


One must accept that some people are inherently bad and can't be changed.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61407 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:54 am to
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Well you should have challenged that ticket assuming you actually got one.



I broke the law. Gotta take my bullshite lick and avoid that street next school year.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61407 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:57 am to
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but damn it you're going to make libertarian arguments maybe make them better so us actual libertarians don't look like morons.


Why didn't you attempt to make a better argument?
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19568 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:58 am to
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Humans have the right to travel freely without permission from the state.


You are not required to travel via POV. You can freely travel via means that don't require a license or insurance.

quote:

Mandating a drivers license operates on the assumption of incompetence.



Your posts operate that way too. We all know your are incompetent, dishonest, poorly educated, and just plain stupid.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61407 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:59 am to
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I would like to see data that says how good rehab is for prisoners.



Norway boasts one of the lowest recidivism rates globally, with about 20% of released inmates reoffending within two years and 25% within five years. This is significantly lower than recidivism rates in the U.S., which can be as high as 70%. Norway's success is attributed to a rehabilitation-focused approach to incarceration, emphasizing reintegration into society.


LINK

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I am not sure one can rehab career criminals.


We would have to try to find out.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 12:00 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57860 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 11:59 am to
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You love to speak authoritatively about things you have no idea about, don't you? You also seem to really enjoy being wrong.


New Orleans school zone traffic camera tickets are now being issued at lower speeds


So, to clarify, you got a ticket for speeding in a school zone and you think that's government overreach?

This isn't like going 60 in a 55. At lower speeds, accelerated speed i more noticeable. When in a school zone, everyone knows not to go over the speed limit. It's for protection of children that can dart out in front of cars. Slower cars have an easier time stopping. It's called reaction time relevant to velocity.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57860 posts
Posted on 6/12/25 at 12:00 pm to
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Norway boasts one of the lowest recidivism rates globally, with about 20% of released inmates reoffending within two years and 25% within five years. This is significantly lower than recidivism rates in the U.S.


You think comparing Norway and the US is appropriate?
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