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re: Are drivers licenses an example of government overreach?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:12 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:12 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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do you believe that punishing criminals is not a form of serving the citizens?
I think rehabilitating them would serve society. Punishing them doesn't actually benefit society in any way.
You can argue that segregating them benefits society, but punishment only appeals to emotions.
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Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:14 am to 4cubbies
Oh did you get screwed by the OMV for messing up some paperwork years ago and now have a thousand dollars in fees to pay off just to unsuspend your license too? Yeah. I haven't been pulled over since Bush was president. I'm not getting a license. If i screw up up take my $300 fine. I'm not paying the omv. Eventually I'll move and get a license.
Though i can't buy tobacco at any place with a black cashier. They always card. Have to go to Muslim ran places.
Though i can't buy tobacco at any place with a black cashier. They always card. Have to go to Muslim ran places.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:14 am to Wellborn
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But the citizens of the likes of states such as Oregon and California whose answer to everything is, “There should be a law against…” obviously feel similarly as you.
I don't advocate for laws against anything.
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I would never live under such conditions of the “regulation fixes all” mentality. Its insane.
Why are you attributing that to me in a thread calling drivers licenses "government overreach"?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:16 am to 4cubbies
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You can argue that segregating them benefits society, but punishment only appeals to emotions.
And incentivizing leads to more of the bad action.
Doing nothing says it’s okay to do what they did.
A “light” or “comfortable” sentence says “do it again and you can watch TV and work out and chill with your buddies with no work for 6 months again”
Sure sounds like something people totally wouldn’t want to do again.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:16 am to 4cubbies
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Why are you attributing that to me in a thread calling drivers licenses "government overreach"?
They have no idea what liberty looks like and to hear it scrambles their brains
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:16 am to 4cubbies
quote:Based on their actions, some people need to be punished. I believe that everyone should have the liberty to live their life as they choose. Do what they want, as long as their choices affect only them. If their decisions turn out great and they become billionaires I deserve none of the proceeds and none of the credit. By the same token if their decisions turn out bad, I deserve none of the blame. It's not my responsibility to clean up someone else's mess.
Others seem to think the government exists to punish us.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:17 am to Napoleon
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Oh did you get screwed by the OMV for messing up some paperwork years ago and now have a thousand dollars in fees to pay off just to unsuspend your license too?
No. Despite my convictions, I am a law-abiding citizen and I wrote a check this morning for a mother fricking camera ticket I got for going 24 in a 20. You have my full support, though.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:18 am to 4cubbies
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I got for going 24 in a 20.
bullshitePosted on 6/12/25 at 10:22 am to 4cubbies
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I think rehabilitating them would serve society. Punishing them doesn't actually benefit society in any way.
But you wouldn’t want a halfway house opening next door, or housing a recently released felon.
That’s for other people to suffer and deal with, right?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:22 am to 4cubbies
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I think rehabilitating them would serve society. Punishing them doesn't actually benefit society in any way.
You can argue that segregating them benefits society, but punishment only appeals to emotions.
This, on its face, is an absurd take. Punishment is a form of attonement and restitution for acts done, which is the basis of any justice system. Without punishment, the entire concept of a justice system breaks down. So, punishment absolutely benefits society. Your original point is ignorant of the remainder of the citizens the government has to serve as well. It is looking at something in a vacuum.
Rehabilitation is another matter. The government cannot force someone to be rehabilitated. Punishment IS a part of rehabilitation, even if you don't like it. It just isn't the only one and depending on circumstances, may not be the right one to use.
The government absolutely must punish criminal acts, arguiing otherwise as you are is folly. The government should provide opportunity for rehabilitation, which any sane person would argue there is ample of currently. They cannot force a person to be rehabilitated however.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 10:26 am
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:26 am to beerJeep
People on here say that having a drivers license is an infringement on liberty but the government having an arbitrary number they hold over the head of drivers that enjoy a beverage is a good thing
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:26 am to 4cubbies
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mandating a driving test is in the interest of public safety, why wouldn't that interest apply to gun ownership?
We decided a long time ago that government couldn't infringe on gun ownership even for an ideal of public safety.
That doesn't mean we wouldn't be marginally safer if all gun owners had to pass a safety test. We probably would. But, the government doesn't have that power for a different reason.
You've tied yourself in knots logically because you seem only able to consider these issues in a vacuum.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:28 am to 4cubbies
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Can you think of any reason someone might risk going back to prison?
If the US prison system is in a large violation of the 8th? No. Not really.
See here is an issue… for someone to be “rehabilitated”.. they have to WANT to be. Also.. it takes an actual effort on their part.
There are two leaders in our church that are rehabilitated previous offenders. You know why they are rehabilitated? The said they wanted to be and did it. Both are now successful members of society that are married with high achieving, model children. One white. One black. And neither from privileged upbringing.
So 90 percent of the “rehabilitation” lays at the feet of the person. NOT the government.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:39 am to 4cubbies
Oh i don't pay those. New plate, clean slate. Just let them pile up until they send a collections letter then get a new plate. Then i type that and realize i can't get a new plate until i pay the omv. frickers.
Well i guess I'll pay in October when plate expires. I didn't think about that. The house always wins.
Well i guess I'll pay in October when plate expires. I didn't think about that. The house always wins.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:39 am to Powerman
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I really hate when people include suicides in the context of the gun debate. Don't you?
I acknowledged that in my post Einstein
I think you've both missed the important part of the comparison.
The context of the question is one of safety. The right comparison would be accidental death and damage vs. intentional.
Suicide is an example. But, so is murder. Neither of those should be compared to vehicles when discussing safety.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:40 am to beerJeep
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But you wouldn’t want a halfway house opening next door, or housing a recently released felon.
After working in criminal justice for years, I understand how easy it is be convicted of some bullshite felony (a la our president). I likely have a completely different view of people who have been incarcerated than you do. I wouldn't want to live next door to a large facility of any kind, but living next to a double for people coming out of prison wouldn't scare me.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:40 am to 4cubbies
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Cars aren’t dangerous. Thugs that use them for illegal activities are dangerous.
You really are dumb
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:41 am to Napoleon
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New plate, clean slate.
New plates are like $150 at ABC title now and the stupid ticket is only $75.
I used to get new plates but then the price of them went up a lot.
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The house always wins.
Let freedom ring.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 10:42 am
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:41 am to 4cubbies
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Prisons in their current state did not exist since the dawn of civilization. The Norfolk Prison Colony had its own debate teams. Malcom X was housed there for a period.
Again...
1) What makes prisons cruel and unusual?
2) What is different about "american prisons in their current state" that differs from when you deemed prisons acceptable?
3) Incarceration has been around since society has been around. Same thing with laws. Not sure how you can call incarceration or prisons "cruel and unusual" when they have been in existence since the dawn of civilization.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:43 am to 4cubbies
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I didn't claim he broke laws. The government did. If the government erred in its conviction of Donald Trump, why won't you acknowledge that other convictions perpetuated by the government cannot be trusted, either?
You have an amazing ability to not understand how a question/answer works. I said...
What crime is Trump guilty of? And i want you to tell me the law broken, and your interpretation of said "crime".
Don't cop out and say, "well i didnt' say that". Clearly that's an attempt to avoid answering because you DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. If you believe Trump broke the law, then what laws did he break? It's pretty simple.
ETA: In a few posts 4cubbies will try to turn this into a "why are you attacking me" type post and try to divert away from having to back up her argument.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 10:45 am
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