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re: Are drivers licenses an example of government overreach?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:52 am to RollTide4547
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:52 am to RollTide4547
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Because it is not bad enough. Prisons should be so bad that when you get out, the mere thought of commiting a crime and going back makes you physically ill..
Traumatized people traumatize other people. Making prisons" worse" will only continue to increase antisocial behavior and wreak more havoc on society.
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Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:52 am to 4cubbies
quote:If your religion calls you to "help" them, you are welcome to travel to their home country and help them all you want.
I disagree with them on religious grounds.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:53 am to 4cubbies
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Because the government fails to rehabilitate anyone while they are in state custody, care and control.
But if the treatment truly violates the 8th amendment… why would the people risk going back to such harsh conditions? You will never, ever, sell that someone has to sell drugs “because it’s the only way to survive”. Or commit violence again because “they aren’t rehabilitated”.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:53 am to 4cubbies
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Because the government fails to rehabilitate anyone while they are in state custody, care and control.
Is it the governments responsibility to rehabilitate career criminals or to punish them? I say that it's to punish them for their wrongdoing. The rehabilitation part is up to them whether they want to change or not. If they don't, back to prison. If they NEVER want to change... leave em in there for life.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:54 am to 4cubbies
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Traumatized people traumatize other people. Making prisons" worse" will only continue to increase antisocial behavior and wreak more havoc on society.
Nonsense.
Those in cecot can’t wreak havoc on society any longer.
They are in the place they belong.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:55 am to BugAC
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Not sure how you can call incarceration or prisons "cruel and unusual" when they have been in existence since the dawn of civilization.
Prisons in their current state did not exist since the dawn of civilization. The Norfolk Prison Colony had its own debate teams. Malcom X was housed there for a period.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:56 am to MemphisGuy
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Is it the governments responsibility to rehabilitate career criminals or to punish them?
This is the fundamental difference between me and most of the posters here: I think government exists to serve citizens. Others seem to think the government exists to punish us.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:57 am to CleverUserName
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why would the people risk going back to such harsh conditions?
Can you think of any reason someone might risk going back to prison?
Do you trust every conviction other than Donald Trump's?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:57 am to 4cubbies
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This is the fundamental difference between me and most of the posters here: I think government exists to serve citizens. Others seem to think the government exists to punish us.
Ignorant take.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 9:58 am to 4cubbies
Why can't people drink and get high at work? It's stupid, just because a few people can't function under the influence doesn';t mean everyone can't. Those idiots probably screw everything up even when they're sober.
The laws a unfair, This country's a prison. On planet bullshite.
The laws a unfair, This country's a prison. On planet bullshite.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:02 am to Snipe
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Why can't people drink and get high at work? It's stupid, just because a few people can't function under the influence doesn';t mean everyone can't. Those idiots probably screw everything up even when they're sober.
Do you believe the government should dictate what people are allowed to do at work, or should employers be able to dictate that?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:02 am to 4cubbies
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What about when they say "I'm put in office, I will find and charge people who did things," and then they incarcerate people who they claim did things. It's the same thing, just not involving a celebrity.
It’s absolutely not the same thing to declare they will be “tough on crime” vs “ill get this person one way or the other” no way is that comparable.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:04 am to 4cubbies
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I think government exists to serve citizens.
That is not the purpose of government. Governments exist to maintain order and stability, not as the automatic response for every single social issue that arises.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:05 am to CleverUserName
Can you link the quote from the DA saying she'll get donald trump one way or another?
I've only been able to find evidence of her saying this: New York Attorney General-elect Letitia James says she'll pursue every legal avenue to investigate President Donald Trump and his finances, which doesn't sound unethical to me. I'm pretty sure he investigated her, as well.
I've only been able to find evidence of her saying this: New York Attorney General-elect Letitia James says she'll pursue every legal avenue to investigate President Donald Trump and his finances, which doesn't sound unethical to me. I'm pretty sure he investigated her, as well.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:05 am to Snipe
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Why can't people drink and get high at work?
Rules for work and laws for society are completely different
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:06 am to Wellborn
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Governments exist to maintain order and stability
In other words, governments exist to keep citizens in check?
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:09 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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I think government exists to serve citizens. Others seem to think the government exists to punish us.
In your mind, do you believe that punishing criminals is not a form of serving the citizens?
That is the only rationale that allows this statement to actually make any sense logically.
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:09 am to Wellborn
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hat is not the purpose of government. Governments exist to maintain order and stability
Governments job is to protect rights
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:10 am to 4cubbies
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In other words, governments exist to keep citizens in check?
Yep.
Ensure the rights of the people are not violated as listed in the constitution.
The government becoming daddy in 1965 with the democrats Great Society is an absolute abomination and the reason we now spend more on debt interest payments than we do on our military every year.
This post was edited on 6/12/25 at 10:10 am
Posted on 6/12/25 at 10:10 am to 4cubbies
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In other words, governments exist to keep citizens in check?
That’s not at all how I parse it. But the citizens of the likes of states such as Oregon and California whose answer to everything is, “There should be a law against…” obviously feel similarly as you.
I would never live under such conditions of the “regulation fixes all” mentality. Its insane.
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