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re: Anti AR15 people: How is the AR15 functionally different than any other semiauto rifle?

Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:03 pm to
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:03 pm to
I would rejoice. Because it takes more than a majority of citizens to repeal a constitutional amendment
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:04 pm to
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Maybe in the event of banning all guns but that isn't even a serious agenda.



No, in the event of something as silly as an AR ban. The minute Congress tries it the lawsuits will come forward, and Heller will be the justification.

Which I venture to guess is why we didn't see any gun control legislation when the dems owned the executive and congress.



Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:04 pm to
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Another impossible goal


Impossible? The president is pretty well protected. Celebrities are pretty well protected. Sporting events are pretty well protected.

You are saying it is impossible to protect a school from 1 person with a firearm? Come one now.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:06 pm to
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can't tell who is trolling and who is legit retarded anymore...



Right there with you. I’m just hoping most are trolls there can’t be that much ignorance in the world can there?
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:07 pm to
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Plus the billions of 30 round magazines already in circulation. Guess we mail these into the governmen


That is when the camps start
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:07 pm to
"Nobody outside of the military has a legit reason to own a large capacity magazine. They shouldn't be legal."

As a technical matter, you're almost on to something that could make a significant difference is the casualty count in mass shootings. It's not high capacity mags, though, that would really make a difference. You would have to ban detachable magazines. They're just too easy and fast to load to make any appreciable difference in this scenario, even if limited to ten (or 12, etc.). Make someone have to reload one shell at a time (or carry cumbersome, multiple loaded weapons), and you would slow the killer down. I posted about this the other day, but no real discussion ensued. Problem: a BUNCH of popular guns have detachable magazines. Problem for those who wish to maximize 2A rights: it may be fun - and easy - to point out the absurdities of the current gun control proposals, but eventually the proposals may make more sense, at least a technical matter.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:07 pm to
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there can’t be that much ignorance in the world can there?


Yes, unfortunately there is that much ignorance in the world.
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:09 pm to
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It takes maybe 1 second to drop a 10 round mag and replace it with another, maybe 1 second to drop the bolt. So that is 20 rounds availabe in 2 seconds, 30 rounds available in 4 seconds.



OK Uncle Rico. Maybe the kid who shot up the high school is not the expert you are. Chances are he wouldn't have gotten the same number of rounds fired if he had to reload every 8-10 shots vs. 30. Let rounds fired = less people shot.

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What constitutues a ‘legit reason’? Remember, the 2A is not about hunting nor recreation

Most people when they are defending themselves or their family don’t want less ammo in their guns.


There are current limits on what weaponry a private citizen can legally own. Maybe a ban on high capacity magazines would be deemed unconstitutional by the SC. I'd like to find out if it would.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:12 pm to
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OK Uncle Rico. Maybe the kid who shot up the high school is not the expert you are. Chances are he wouldn't have gotten the same number of rounds fired if he had to reload every 8-10 shots vs. 30. Let rounds fired = less people shot.



Or maybe he just buys one off the streets since we have hundreds of millions of them already in circulation.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:12 pm to
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OK Uncle Rico. Maybe the kid who shot up the high school is not the expert you are. Chances are he wouldn't have gotten the same number of rounds fired if he had to reload every 8-10 shots vs. 30. Let rounds fired = less people shot.


"Chances are..."

Meaning, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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There are current limits on what weaponry a private citizen can legally own. Maybe a ban on high capacity magazines would be deemed unconstitutional by the SC. I'd like to find out if it would.


Name them, and why you think they're illegal to own.
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6128 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:13 pm to
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Impossible? The president is pretty well protected. Celebrities are pretty well protected. Sporting events are pretty well protected.

You are saying it is impossible to protect a school from 1 person with a firearm? Come one now.




How many guards would be needed per school to guarantee that a kid with a gun wasn't able to get off a single shot?

Do you know how many public schools there are in the country? Multiply that number by the number from my first question. It's not realistic.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:13 pm to
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There are current limits on what weaponry a private citizen can legally own.


What small arms weaponry is banned at the Federal level? Even full auto is allowed with the proper paperwork.

If you start talking about bombs and tanks it might be an excellent time for you to regroup.

Also, can you give examples of legally owned automatic weapons used in shootings? You made the claim and I would like to understand it.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 3:15 pm
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:14 pm to
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How many guards would be needed per school to guarantee that a kid with a gun wasn't able to get off a single shot?


Can you guarantee that once AR style rifles are banned that not one more innocent child will be murdered in our schools?
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26316 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:15 pm to
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How many guards would be needed per school to guarantee that a kid with a gun wasn't able to get off a single shot? Do you know how many public schools there are in the country? Multiply that number by the number from my first question. It's not realistic.


It’s more realistic than gun bans and confiscation. It will also be more effective and cheaper.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:15 pm to
Or just makes as many as he wants with a 3D printer.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23151 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:15 pm to
1) It looks "scary" (Liberals cry at the sight of one)
2) Typically has larger magazines
3) Pistol Grip
4) Typical has a muzzle brake or flash suppressor


Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:16 pm to
Outlaw 3D printers too. Take no chances.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:17 pm to
Mills, too.

Better just make plastic and metal illegal while we're at it. Can't be too careful.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46121 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:18 pm to
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Or just makes as many as he wants with a 3D printer.




Don't forget to print your bump stock while you're at it.

Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6128 posts
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:19 pm to
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"Chances are..."

Meaning, you have no idea what you're talking about.



LOL. Laws are passed daily because they will theoretically solve or improve a problem. This would be no different. I can 100% guarantee that if you stood two people side by side with the same rifle, one with a 30 round magazine, and the other with an 8 round magazine, the guy with the 30 round mag will put more rounds in the air per minute.

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Name them, and why you think they're illegal to own.


I'm pretty sure I can't own one of these.

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