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re: Anti AR15 people: How is the AR15 functionally different than any other semiauto rifle?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:33 pm to Haughton99
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:33 pm to Haughton99
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My goal would be to make these events less deadly.
A high capacity magazine ban would do no such thing. Take San Berandino for example, Cali has a 10 round mag capacity law and some other law making it harder to reload yet here we stand with 14 dead victims and 22 injured victims.
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:34 pm to Haughton99
Not true at all. Both do lots of damage. The point was that less shots equal less deaths. That’s what you said. Buckshot can have multiple victims per round.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:37 pm to Haughton99
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I don't think that's true. Fewer rounds fired would mean fewer dead people.
And how does a ban on high capacity magazines accomplish this?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:37 pm to Haughton99
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Fewer rounds fired would mean fewer dead people.
Wrong. The amount of rounds fired isn't what dictates the number of casualties.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:38 pm to Centinel
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You're not getting it. You think these people are just not going to bother anymore because they can't fire as many rounds.
They'll change tactics. They'll change tools.
You are completely unable to process second and third order affects.
You're not getting it. I'm not trying to come up with a solution that stops people from wanting to kill large numbers of people. That's not possible. I want to make it harder for that person to run up the body count.
Maybe banning high capacity magazines will make people change tactics. The new tactic wouldn't be as easy as what they are doing now because if it was they'd be doing it.
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But that will be your next step when a magazine ban does nothing to stop the bad guys. Because it will do nothing.
No it won't. I own quite a few guns myself. I would never advocate for the banning of them. Believe what you want.
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Exactly. So gun control is pointless and serves no purpose, as is your argument to limit magazine size. Because there are other better solutions that actually addresses the problem and not a tool.
You must've misread what I said. I'm saying there are multiple things that should be done to lessen the severity of these events and make them more rare.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Wrong. The amount of rounds fired isn't what dictates the number of casualties.
Just out of curiosity, let's say you were in a gun fight and you knew your ammo was limited, would you feel more inclined to make every round count as compared to knowing you have plenty of ammo to let loose?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:41 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Wrong. The amount of rounds fired isn't what dictates the number of casualties.
I'm pretty sure you won't find anyone without an agenda that would say that the number of rounds fired doesn't have an effect on the number of casualties. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:42 pm to Aristo
I'd grab my bump fire stock and my 900 round magazine, then cut loose. Obviously the most effective method. That's why we used bump fire stocks on my team. 
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:42 pm to Haughton99
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The new tactic wouldn't be as easy as what they are doing now because if it was they'd be doing it.
You fail to understand why these guys are using the tools they are.
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I'm saying there are multiple things that should be done to lessen the severity of these events and make them more rare.
I agree. But you've yet to provide a solution that does this.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:42 pm to Haughton99
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I'm pretty sure you won't find anyone without an agenda that would say that the number of rounds fired doesn't have an effect on the number of casualties.
Are you saying you have no agenda?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:43 pm to Haughton99
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I'm pretty sure you won't find anyone without an agenda that would say that the number of rounds fired doesn't have an effect on the number of casualties. It makes no sense whatsoever.
It makes perfect sense if you understand the subject.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:45 pm to Centinel
Nah, we both must have missed the Spray and Pray training day.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Nah, we both must have missed the Spray and Pray training day.
Center mass and controlled pair is sooooo last century bro. Spray and pray is the future!
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:50 pm to Centinel
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It makes perfect sense if you understand the subject.
Why does this military use fully automatic weapons if rpm has no effect on the number of casualties inflicted by the weapon?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:51 pm to Centinel
Seems that he thinks anyone that gets hit with a bullet dies
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:51 pm to Haughton99
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Why does this military use fully automatic weapons
Under what circumstances are these weapons used, and for what effect?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:52 pm to Haughton99
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Why does this military use fully automatic weapons
I'm sure these military guys will inform you when full auto fire is used.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:53 pm to Centinel
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Under what circumstances are these weapons used, and for what effect?
Cover fire?
I'm guessing if you are about to bust down a door your rifle wouldn't be in full auto?
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:55 pm to Centinel
For real. I'm telling my old teammates that they should really think about moving to bump fire stocks. We're changing warfare!
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:56 pm to Centinel
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Under what circumstances are these weapons used, and for what effect?
To kill as many people in as short amount of time as possible. People who are packed together in small rooms with nowhere to hide.
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