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Posted on 2/19/18 at 2:54 pm to weagle99
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There are a few of you on this board. Can you answer the question above?
I'm not anti AR15. People who think that we should ban a gun because it looks like a military weapon are just stupid. A semi auto hunting rifle is just as lethal.
Here's where I disagree with the gun clinging crowd. I think the goal in any new regulation should be to reduce the severity of the events like we had in Florida and others like it. It will be impossible to completely prevent them. That shouldn't be anyone's goal.
If a person had to stop and reload more often, fewer people would die. Simple fact. Nobody outside of the military has a legit reason to own a large capacity magazine. They shouldn't be legal.
Any device that modifies a semi auto to shoot full auto should also be banned. This seems like a no-brainer but apparently the NRA is so damn powerful that even something like this can't get through congress.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 2:54 pm to Jazzbo Depew
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Australia is coming.
It's merely a matter of time.
US will never get to the level of Australia.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 2:55 pm to Aristo
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Don't expect this number to change much.
You changed it
Posted on 2/19/18 at 2:57 pm to Haughton99
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Here's where I disagree with the gun clinging crowd. I think the goal in any new regulation should be to reduce the severity of the events like we had in Florida and others like it. It will be impossible to completely prevent them. That shouldn't be anyone's goal.
I think the goal of any new legislation should be that the next time someone tries this there is only 1 death and its the nut job that went to a school with the intention of murdering kids.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 2:57 pm to Tigerdev
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or automatic weapons owned legally (often by people with clear mental health issues).
Please point out in which shootings an automatic weapon was used?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 2:58 pm to civiltiger07
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much.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 2:58 pm to Haughton99
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If a person had to stop and reload more often, fewer people would die. Simple fact.
It takes maybe 1 second to drop a 10 round mag and replace it with another, maybe 1 second to drop the bolt. So that is 20 rounds availabe in 2 seconds, 30 rounds available in 4 seconds.
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Nobody outside of the military has a legit reason to own a large capacity magazine.
What constitutues a ‘legit reason’? Remember, the 2A is not about hunting nor recreation
Most people when they are defending themselves or their family don’t want less ammo in their guns.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 2:59 pm to Haughton99
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Any device that modifies a semi auto to shoot full auto should also be banned. This seems like a no-brainer but apparently the NRA is so damn powerful that even something like this can't get through congress.
any device that modifies a gun to shoot full auto would be a full auto and would already be illegal if it isn't a registered NFA firearm.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 2:59 pm to ShreveportHog94
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Heller was a SC decision regarding the ban of ARs?
No, but Heller set the precedent that an individual has a right to possess firearms outside of a militia for lawful purposes such as defense of the home.
Heller will most certainly be used to attack any attempt at a weapon ban.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:00 pm to Haughton99
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If a person had to stop and reload more often, fewer people would die. Simple fact.
Reloading is not difficult or time consuming. Neither is carrying two weapons. Both of these statements have been shown to be true.
Magazine capacity is a silly metric to focus on.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:00 pm to weagle99
If it was put to a vote, and a majority of the U S people agreed to repeal the 2nd Amendment, what would you do ?
Turn in your vast cache of firearms to be melted, or face prison time ?
Turn in your vast cache of firearms to be melted, or face prison time ?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:00 pm to Haughton99
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Any device that modifies a semi auto to shoot full auto should also be banned.
They already are.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:00 pm to weagle99
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It takes maybe 1 second to drop a 10 round mag and replace it with another, maybe 1 second to drop the bolt. So that is 20 rounds availabe in 2 seconds, 30 rounds available in 4 seconds.
Plus the billions of 30 round magazines already in circulation. Guess we mail these into the government?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:01 pm to civiltiger07
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I think the goal of any new legislation should be that the next time someone tries this there is only 1 death and its the nut job that went to a school with the intention of murdering kids.
Another impossible goal. Making schools look like prisons is not feasible or a smart thing to do. There was armed security at the Fl High School.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:01 pm to Haughton99
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Any device that modifies a semi auto to shoot full auto should also be banned. This seems like a no-brainer but apparently the NRA is so damn powerful that even something like this can't get through congress.
Also, ban trigger fingers and rubber bands.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:02 pm to Jazzbo Depew
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Turn in your vast cache of firearms to be melted, or face prison time ?
Many gunowners would do neither.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:02 pm to Haughton99
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There was armed security at the Fl High School.
One officer for 3k students.
That's not security.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:02 pm to Centinel
Maybe in the event of banning all guns but that isn't even a serious agenda.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:02 pm to ShreveportHog94
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Only time I give people grief is when they use 2A or the tyrannical government argument. Sorry, but platform is just fun to own and people genuinely love the rifle. That is why they don't want it going away. It has absolutely zero constitutional basis.
There are many reasons the founding fathers supported the 2nd. Tyrannical government is one of them. Everyone who thinks our government could never be tyrannical is suffering from extreme optimisim bias.
Let me just leave some founding father quotes here for you:
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
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