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re: Anti AR15 people: How is the AR15 functionally different than any other semiauto rifle?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:20 pm to Haughton99
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:20 pm to Haughton99
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I can 100% guarantee that if you stood two people side by side with the same rifle, one with a 30 round magazine, and the other with an 8 round magazine, the guy with the 30 round mag will put more rounds in the air per minute.
It's almost like you think if you ban one tool, the bad guys won't go use another.
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:21 pm to weagle99
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Also, can you give examples of legally owned automatic weapons used in shootings? You made the claim and I would like to understand it.
I did? Where?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:22 pm to Haughton99
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LOL. Laws are passed daily because they will theoretically solve or improve a problem. This would be no different. I can 100% guarantee that if you stood two people side by side with the same rifle, one with a 30 round magazine, and the other with an 8 round magazine, the guy with the 30 round mag will put more rounds in the air per minute.
Thanks for confirming my point. Mag dumps are fun...and that's about it.
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I'm pretty sure I can't own one of these.
...and now the second part.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:23 pm to Haughton99
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How many guards would be needed per school to guarantee that a kid with a gun wasn't able to get off a single shot? Do you know how many public schools there are in the country? Multiply that number by the number from my first question. It's not realistic.
You said it was impossible. So you are going back on your previous statement?
but it would depend on the size of the school, layout of the school, and other factors as well. Also, if a little planning is done you could probably reduce the number of security required. Like limit access to grounds while school is in session to one or two entrances.
I'm not just giving up on it because it would be expensive. Hell I would be just fine with paying a property tax to provide armed security to properly protect the public schools in my parish.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:23 pm to Aristo
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Can you guarantee that once AR style rifles are banned that not one more innocent child will be murdered in our schools?
Look at my post history. The first thing I said in this thread was that banning guns because they look "scary" is stupid and that 100% prevention shouldn't be a goal because it's not realistic.
My goal would be to make these events less deadly.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:24 pm to Centinel
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Don't forget to print your bump stock while you're at it.
We'll just make those illegal, too.
Solving all the problems in here today.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:24 pm to Haughton99
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My goal would be to make these events less deadly.
You're under the impression you can make these events less deadly. You can't.
Ban guns, they'll use something else.
Again, you're attempting to fix the problem by banning a tool while ignoring the actual problem.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:25 pm to Centinel
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It's almost like you think if you ban one tool, the bad guys won't go use another.
That's not a legit reason not to ban the one tool IMO. We can agree to disagree.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:25 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
Oprah's got a plan.
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:25 pm to Haughton99
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My goal would be to make these events less deadly.
Then propose something that would accomplish that.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:26 pm to Haughton99
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That's not a legit reason not to ban the one tool IMO.
Yes, it is. Especially when that tool is covered by a constitutional amendment.
It's pointless legislation. A law should achieve a goal. Your law will not achieve any goal except denying someone the right to own a tool because you personally don't like that tool.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:27 pm to Centinel
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You're under the impression you can make these events less deadly. You can't.
I don't think that's true. Fewer rounds fired would mean fewer dead people.
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Ban guns, they'll use something else.
I've never in my life advocated the banning of a gun.
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Again, you're attempting to fix the problem by banning a tool while ignoring the actual problem.
Most problems have more than one solution that should be applied to it. There are other things we could do better but this is a gun control thread.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:29 pm to Haughton99
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Fewer rounds fired would mean fewer dead people.
You know there is this thing called buck shot right? Not to even mention the fancy home defense rounds out there
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:29 pm to Centinel
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Yes, it is. Especially when that tool is covered by a constitutional amendment.
I would like to see if high capacity magazines would be considered protected under the 2nd. Maybe they would be, maybe not.
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It's pointless legislation. A law should achieve a goal. Your law will not achieve any goal except denying someone the right to own a tool because you personally don't like that tool.
Making mass shooting less deadly doesn't seem pointless to me.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:31 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
F it, let's ban all projectiles.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:31 pm to Haughton99
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I would like to see if high capacity magazines would be considered protected under the 2nd. Maybe they would be, maybe not.
Ban magazines and then you see belt fed guns and ammo gain popularity. Then zero reloads happen
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:31 pm to Haughton99
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I don't think that's true. Fewer rounds fired would mean fewer dead people.
You're not getting it. You think these people are just not going to bother anymore because they can't fire as many rounds.
They'll change tactics. They'll change tools.
You are completely unable to process second and third order affects.
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I've never in my life advocated the banning of a gun.
But that will be your next step when a magazine ban does nothing to stop the bad guys. Because it will do nothing.
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There are other things we could do better but this is a gun control thread.
Exactly. So gun control is pointless and serves no purpose, as is your argument to limit magazine size. Because there are other better solutions that actually addresses the problem and not a tool.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:32 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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You know there is this thing called buck shot right?
Yeah. I own some. Your point? I'm pretty sure a guy with a 12 gauge loaded with buck shot is not going to kill as many people as someone with a semi auto rifle with a 30 rounds magazine.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:32 pm to Haughton99
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Making mass shooting less deadly doesn't seem pointless to me.
Your solution doesn't make mass shootings less deadly though.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 3:33 pm to Haughton99
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I'm pretty sure a guy with a 12 gauge loaded with buck shot is not going to kill as many people as someone with a semi auto rifle with a 30 rounds magazine.
And you'd be very wrong.
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