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re: 74% of Democrats, Majority of Americans Support Single-Payer Health Care System

Posted on 4/13/18 at 7:38 am to
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65870 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 7:38 am to
Lies.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 7:43 am to
quote:

Steps to not being poor:
Finish high school.
Get a job.
Don’t get put in jail.



*Be white
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 7:47 am to
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Be white


Good God you're pathetic and racist
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 7:53 am to
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Good God you're pathetic and racist


Someone's not up on his reading.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:00 am to
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Be white


quote:

Finish high school. Get a job. Don’t get put in jail



seems implied
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:01 am to
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BamaAtl
it's sad that you think that was a rebuttal. You are so filled with hate it's disgusting
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:04 am to
"74% of Democrats are too stupid to see how incapable the government is of wisely managing the finances of their own agencies and wish to give them more control over their own money"


Not surprised.

One only need look at Medicaid and the sheer amount of fraud,waste, and abuse to imagine what a single payer healthcare system nationwide would look like

Democrats are stupid children who have no business making policy.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:05 am to
Question... we have the option to do away with Medicare tomorrow. Do you vote yes or no?
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122894 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:05 am to
Atl is one angry black chick
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:06 am to
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it's sad that you think that was a rebuttal


Yeah, how sad that I'd think that a study showing discrepancies in income mobility across generations by race would somehow refute your ignorant point that race doesn't play any part in income mobility.

Sure you didn't mean "Sad!" ?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:06 am to
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One only need look at Medicaid and the sheer amount of fraud,waste, and abuse to imagine what a single payer healthcare system nationwide would look like



Less fraud, waste, and abuse in CMS than in private insurers per $ collected.

So much for your narrative.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:07 am to
Your article explicitly states there is no advantage whatsoever of white females over black females. I don’t see an acceptable reason listed as to why we must accept that this societal bias exists but only mysteriously affects half of the affected demographic.

Any ideas?
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 8:08 am
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19576 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:07 am to
Lot of stupid, poorly educated people in this country and Democrats make up the majority of them. That isn't news.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:11 am to
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medical outcomes and individual bankruptcies


How are medical outcomes worse here? Please don’t say life expectancy because that’s been debunked a million times. We have higher survival rates from cancer and heart disease than every other country.

As for the bankruptcies we could definitely use some reform one thing would be to add some market based competition higher prices are at least affected by massive government interference.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:11 am to
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I don’t see an acceptable reason listed as to why we must accept that this societal bias exists but only mysteriously affects half of the affected demographic.


Well, if you don't see an acceptable reason then let's throw out the whole study.

Could be any number of factors - ingrained societal bias against women in general limiting the ceiling and raising the floor, unaccounted for confounders, the different rates of incarceration among the genders, etc.
Posted by jptiger2009
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2009
10010 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:13 am to
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Lot of stupid, poorly educated people in this country and Democrats make up the majority of them. That isn't news.




the uneducated, Bible belt, Red State South completely contradicts this statement.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:19 am to
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Yeah, how sad that I'd think that a study showing discrepancies in income mobility across generations by race would somehow refute your ignorant point that race doesn't play any part in income mobility.

Sure you didn't mean "Sad!" ?


Sad that you don't understand that the greatest factor in a person's economic mobility, especially across generations, is their own actions, or lack thereof.

Let me give an example. All four of my grand parents never finished school. In fact both of my grandfathers dropped out before they even got to high school.

Then both sets had 5 kids each As a result, my parents both grew up poor.

But my parents, as well as my aunts and uncles ALL finished high school and got good blue collar jobs.

My parents had 3 kids, and we didn't grow up poor we grew up very solidly blue collar middle class.

I just retired from the military where I rose to the rank of Colonel, my sister has a PhD and is an accountant and my brother has a Masters and is the VP of a fairly large food wholesaler.

We're all 3 in what I would consider the upper middle class at this point.

I fully expect that all of our children will do better then we are/will.

And guess what? There are lots and lots of black families that can tell yo similar stories, and there are lots and lots of white families who will never amount to anything.

It does't have anything to do with race except that we should ask "why do such a large percentage of black people choose not to do better?" NO ONE's skin color prevents them from succeeding in this country though, that is 1960's thinking.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:22 am to
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Well, if you don't see an acceptable reason then let's throw out the whole study.


In my mind, yeah I’m already there but I’m having a discourse for the sake of having a discourse.

The “ingrained societal bias against women” stance seems flimsy if the percentiles aren’t broken out by gender, because the general range of the two plots on the y-axis is similar.

The unaccounted for confounders isn’t something I can really comment on, but seems like you are playing fast and loose with the ability to see whatever you want with data regardless of what it says when you go down that road.

The different rates of incarceration along gender lines is not something I believe is a societal bias; but a result of an individuals choices in life.

I mean, in the end, it’s my interpretation of data and not the end all be all truth of the matter, but I am unconvinced of your snippy “be white; avoid poverty” belief because I think that’s a classic correlation =\= causation type deal.


ETA: Also, would it kill people to add confidence intervals to their data with some error bars. Engineering practices love their 95% confidence intervals precisely because you can’t draw conclusions from mean values. Doesn’t tell you anything about the uncertainty.
This post was edited on 4/13/18 at 8:50 am
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:24 am to
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Less fraud, waste, and abuse in CMS than in private insurers per $ collected.

So much for your narrative.





You're going to have to provide some evidence of that.

And you would then have to convince me that I should care if a private company that I don't do business with tolerates waste, fraud , and abuse.

I eagerly anticipate your response, or lack thereof.
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29729 posts
Posted on 4/13/18 at 8:27 am to
Subject title should read, "74% of Democrats, Majority of Americans Are Complete Dumbasses."
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