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Posted on 10/16/20 at 4:15 pm to Cash
Son shot a .223 at 6 years old.
.308 from 7 to 13
257 WBY from 13 on
Killed around 60 deer before he left the house.
We used reduced recoil at 7 in the .308, but went to regular rounds later that season.
.308 from 7 to 13
257 WBY from 13 on
Killed around 60 deer before he left the house.
We used reduced recoil at 7 in the .308, but went to regular rounds later that season.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 4:15 pm to 257WBY
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280 is .284
.270 is a .277
Posted on 10/16/20 at 4:29 pm to Contender01
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Do you shoot both grains out of same gun?
reason I am asking I have same gun for my kids, its sighted in with 120, but I just bought the 140gr. Have not had a chance to see the difference
Yes I shoot both out of it with no adjustment. I went to the range when I first got the 140gr ammo and I didn't notice a difference at 100 yds. I'm probably not a good enough shot to notice 0.5 MOA. Both rounds kill when I aim at the vitals.
I will tell you that the Hornady Custom Lite Reduced Recoil SST rounds leave very little blood trail but they absolutely destroy the insides and the deer doesn't go very far. We have not gotten any pass through shots with that round out of 5 deer killed. 3 went less than 50-60 yds and 2 dropped in their tracks.
The 1 deer I shot with the 140gr Core Lokt round dropped immediately and it was a pass through shot around 100 yds.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:24 pm to mrcoon
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Between guiding and my hunting clubs, I have been on so many deer recovery's where the deer was never found it makes me hate the .243 cartridge.
This is such an ignorant statement. If you didn’t find the deer, how the frick could you have any idea what happened?
If it’s a well placed shot or even a decently placed shot with any rifle the deer dies quickly.
A poor shot is a poor shot. Yes some calibers help, but not that much. I’ve seen an antelope get shot with a 50 caliber muzzleloader and literally knocked over on its back, get up, and run to the horizon. Shite happens.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 5:49 pm to DeoreDX
Why so much hate for the 6.5 grendel? I have 3 6.5s and they all shoot great. My nephew shoots a .260. Imo the 6.5 is the best deer sized game round there is.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:19 pm to baldona
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a well placed shot or even a decently placed shot with any rifle the deer dies quickly.
Sure. They can cover ground quickly and with little/no bloodtrail, you might never find it.
Shoot calibers and bullets that exit 100% of the time. It should be a rule for everyone.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:33 pm to Cash
7mm08 is a great deer round, my second choice for a young shooter would be a 308
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:39 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Shoot calibers and bullets that exit 100% of the time. It should be a rule for everyone.
Except this doesn’t happen. Even with adults. High lung shots take awhile to bleed out and sometimes don’t much at all.
The reason there are lost deer with .243’s is because it’s a common cartridge for inexperienced hunters/ shooters. Sure a bigger bullet is always better, but shooting a gun that fits a kid is important also. It makes aiming and moving much easier as well as shooting more enjoyable.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 7:47 pm to Cash
Did you expect this pissing contest? Lmao!
Posted on 10/16/20 at 10:50 pm to Cash
He can probably handle more than you think. At the same age my daughter killed her first deer with my 30.06 without ever having shot it before. She has shot a .270 ever since. You don't necessarily have put him on a small caliber at that age.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 11:09 pm to Cash
308 or 6.5
Posted on 10/16/20 at 11:12 pm to Cash
I’m late to the party, but I got a 270 when I was 12. Still hunt with it 18 years later and have taken many deer.
Posted on 10/16/20 at 11:22 pm to Ol boy
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308 or 7mm08 in a savage axis is hard to beat for a starter budget gun that he can use forever.
I just bought one myself in 308 and I don’t even hunt. Bc for $330, why would I not?
Posted on 10/16/20 at 11:47 pm to Gingersnap
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:00 am to Cash
Cash, congratulations on being involved w/ your son. I'm sure you'll have innumerable fond memories as I do from hunting w/ my son.
The question of gun recommendations for newbie hunter always brings a lot of opinions and suggestions. For AR guys, I'd suggest the 6.5 Grendel or 300 Blackout. In bolt guns I'd personally, I'd suggest a 260 Rem, 7-08, 308 Win, 270 Win or 30-06. The 6.5 Creedmore will work too, but be aware ahead of time re: local availability of ammo. My local WM doesn't carry the CM nor the 7-08. In addition, I don't think the CM has reduced recoil loads yet. A few have already mentioned using reduced recoil/managed recoil loads and I agree. A reduced recoil 308 Win load actually has less recoil than a full power 243. W/ equal bullet weights, a short action round like the 7-08 will always recoil less than a similar long action round, like the 270, because the short round uses less powder. Depending on his size, you may want to look at a youth rifle. Be sure the gun/stock fits your son. Some gun makers, e.g Mossberg, make a youth rifle that has an adjustable length of pull by means of different thicknesses of the butt pad. If you get a regular youth rifle that can't be adjusted you can always later buy an adult stock as your son grows. Or you could add the the length of pull using a slip on recoil pad. The Axis looks to be a good gun. The only Mossberg bolt action I shot was very accurate. I have a Marlin bolt action that's also very inexpensive. When shooting at the range, insist on him using both foam ear plugs and ear muffs. Consider using a "sissy pad" (small sand bag between shoulder and recoil pad) at the range. Be sure the gun has a nice recoil pad (Limbsaver or Kick Eez are two than come to mind).
When my son was 10 years old I was faced w/ the same decision as you. I bought him a Savage bolt action (w/ the scope included) in 308 Win. I almost went w/ the 7-08, but this was before factory reduced recoil loads. I planned on making my own reduced loads and already had everything to do so w/ the 308. OTOH, fast forward 15 years later and I now have a 7-08 handgun that I load for and hunt w/. A few years ago II bought a Thompson/Center Compass in 7-08 for a "grand child's" deer rifle.
Keep us updated. Enjoy your experiences w/ your son.
The question of gun recommendations for newbie hunter always brings a lot of opinions and suggestions. For AR guys, I'd suggest the 6.5 Grendel or 300 Blackout. In bolt guns I'd personally, I'd suggest a 260 Rem, 7-08, 308 Win, 270 Win or 30-06. The 6.5 Creedmore will work too, but be aware ahead of time re: local availability of ammo. My local WM doesn't carry the CM nor the 7-08. In addition, I don't think the CM has reduced recoil loads yet. A few have already mentioned using reduced recoil/managed recoil loads and I agree. A reduced recoil 308 Win load actually has less recoil than a full power 243. W/ equal bullet weights, a short action round like the 7-08 will always recoil less than a similar long action round, like the 270, because the short round uses less powder. Depending on his size, you may want to look at a youth rifle. Be sure the gun/stock fits your son. Some gun makers, e.g Mossberg, make a youth rifle that has an adjustable length of pull by means of different thicknesses of the butt pad. If you get a regular youth rifle that can't be adjusted you can always later buy an adult stock as your son grows. Or you could add the the length of pull using a slip on recoil pad. The Axis looks to be a good gun. The only Mossberg bolt action I shot was very accurate. I have a Marlin bolt action that's also very inexpensive. When shooting at the range, insist on him using both foam ear plugs and ear muffs. Consider using a "sissy pad" (small sand bag between shoulder and recoil pad) at the range. Be sure the gun has a nice recoil pad (Limbsaver or Kick Eez are two than come to mind).
When my son was 10 years old I was faced w/ the same decision as you. I bought him a Savage bolt action (w/ the scope included) in 308 Win. I almost went w/ the 7-08, but this was before factory reduced recoil loads. I planned on making my own reduced loads and already had everything to do so w/ the 308. OTOH, fast forward 15 years later and I now have a 7-08 handgun that I load for and hunt w/. A few years ago II bought a Thompson/Center Compass in 7-08 for a "grand child's" deer rifle.
Keep us updated. Enjoy your experiences w/ your son.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 8:09 am to hophead
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308
Hornady makes a reduced recoil rifle ammo in that caliber.
Works well. Have to sight the rifle in for it as it is not exactly interchangeable with the standard 308 as far as accuracy down range. I plan on taking it to the range one day and shoot at various yards on a target tonsee just how far off they are between the two rounds off one scope sighted in for the standard round.
I bought some for kids. Definitely less recoil.
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Posted on 10/17/20 at 9:28 am to Possumslayer
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Did you expect this pissing contest? Lmao!
It was very helpful for awhile.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:24 pm to 257WBY
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Son shot a .223 at 6 years old.
.308 from 7 to 13
257 WBY from 13 on
Killed around 60 deer before he left the house.
Because those will all kill deer. Shot placement>>>>>>caliber.
Posted on 10/17/20 at 12:55 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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I bought him a Savage bolt action (w/ the scope included) in 308 Win.
Savage makes the exact same rifle in .308, 30-06, and 6.5. Maybe in .270 too. To me it’s a great value at just over $300. You could buy one in each caliber.
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