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re: Best rifle/caliber combo with little to no recoil
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:40 pm to saintsfan1977
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:40 pm to saintsfan1977
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The caliber does not matter. I shoot 270wsm and 90% of the deer I shoot run off. I have needed a dog for the last few and made great shots with no blood trail at all. I shoot Barnes 110gr TTSX clocked at over 3500fps. Shot a doe last year that ran 60yds with a complete pass through and no blood trail. The bullet kills them all the same and I have no problem calling for a dog.
Yes, the caliber does matter. But more important than caliber is the bullet. For example, the Nosler Ballistic Tip seems to be a hit or miss proposition in many full power loads; lots of bang flops, but if there's not a bang flop, the deer usually runs off w/o a blood trail. OTOH, when the same bullet is run at a slower velocity, it penetrates deeply, leaving a nice blood trail and killing quickly. I bet the bullet you're using was originally developed for the 6.8 SPC. Sounds like the bullet is much more fragile when run at 3500 fps than at the 2700 fps (more likely 2600 fps from the common 16" barrel) of the SPC. Remember that the higher the velocity, the more a hunting bullet will expand and the less it will penetrate.
If I were shooting a 270 WSM, I'd want a bullet that expands nicely while still penetrating deeply.
Practically speaking, a 130 gr Nosler Accubond bullet will shoot just as flatly as the 110 grain bullet yet penetrate much deeper. 
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:14 am to TigerOnThe Hill
The 110gr is for 270. The 95gr was developed for the 6.8. It's solid copper. Penetration is not a problem. A shot in the chest of a deer will end up in the skin of the arse. That's 3ft of penetration. The bullets don't leave much blood if any but they kill them dead.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:29 am to TigerOnThe Hill
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Practically speaking, a 130 gr Nosler Accubond bullet will shoot just as flatly as the 110 grain bullet yet penetrate much deeper.
I would bet any amount of money my 110gr Barnes penetrates deeper than an Accubond. Lead sheds weight on impact. Copper doesn't.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:01 am to saintsfan1977
If i were a .270 wsm guy, id shoot a nosler partition.
Honestly i think 270 wsm is a horrible deer caliber. A guy i hunt with shoots one and ive never been impressed by it. Its too fast for a light bullet.
Honestly i think 270 wsm is a horrible deer caliber. A guy i hunt with shoots one and ive never been impressed by it. Its too fast for a light bullet.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:14 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I plan to buy a 7mm rem mag next year. I really wish factory rifles had a better twist rate than 9.5 though.
My wife and kids will get a 7mm08.
My wife and kids will get a 7mm08.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 7:29 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:15 am to saintsfan1977
If you have 90% of deer run off when shot with a 270 WSM, you might not be doing something right.
Barnes bullets work fine, but are really overkill for deer. Any soft, expanding bullet will do fine on deer.
Barnes bullets work fine, but are really overkill for deer. Any soft, expanding bullet will do fine on deer.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:19 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Ultra fast, light billets are wonderful. My 257 WBY with a 115 NBT will make em flop fairly often. Even when bone isn’t hit. They don’t always drop. The most impressive blood trail I’ve seen in 40 years of hunting, was a double lung from my 257 WBY. It was like blood was poured from a bucket for 50 yards.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 7:24 am to 257WBY
I guess I could fold them by breaking both shoulders but I always tried to shoot behind the shoulder. Doesn't matter to me. I have a German Shepherd puppy I'm going to train to track wounded deer. I have hid his ball with deer blood on it and made some 50yd blood trails. Dude won't quit until he has that ball. I love to watch a dog work.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 8:03 am to 257WBY
If the Bullet doesn’t exit it dumps all its energy into the target. You lose energy transfer on a pass through
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 8:04 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 8:26 am to TigerOnThe Hill
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I'm curious whether you're using the 7-08 SST in a full power load or reduced recoil load?
My kids are shooting the Reduced Recoil rounds
Posted on 11/6/18 at 8:55 am to bayoudude
Correct which is fine for killing things quickly. For killing thing consistently, moderate expansion and a pass through works best. Very rapid expansion gives very poor performance on bone. I will not use ammo that does not exit.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:00 am to 257WBY
Fast is certainly best for lightning bolt bang flops. The bad happens when you hit the shoulder knuckle or have to pass on a hard quartering shot. Have seen it many times.
The most messed up deer i remember cleaning was shot with a .22-250 at about 30 yards. I still wouldnt touch that caliber for deer
The most messed up deer i remember cleaning was shot with a .22-250 at about 30 yards. I still wouldnt touch that caliber for deer
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:02 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
The amount of bad information you post is astounding.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:15 am to AlxTgr
I feel mostly the same as he does. I don’t hate the 243 as he does, but I wouldn’t buy one. There’s a sweet spot in deer rifles from a practical viewpoint. The 22 center fires will surely kill deer, but I think they are a poor choice. The 7 mags and 300 mags will surely kill deer but I think are also a poor choice.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:15 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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For killing thing consistently, moderate expansion and a pass through works best.
Pass through has 0 to do with killing an animal. It only has to deal with making 2 holes in the hide for blood to leave the cavity.
Again, with a high shot then the blood often doesn’t leave the cavity until the cavity fills up which can often times be after the animal expires. I’ve seen many a deer found with double lung pass throughs that didn’t leave a blood trail because the animal expired in under 100 yards.
If you want a blood trail you shoot them low which leaves room for a low miss.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 9:16 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:30 am to saintsfan1977
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I plan to buy a 7mm rem mag next year
I've always used 30-06 around here, however my dad bought a 7mm mag for hunting out west. He has killed dear at 400 and 500 yards with it. Very flat shooting round. Trajectory on it is similar to 22-250. Uses it around here too. Quite the bad arse round.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:32 am to baldona
Exactly!! An we know that every local HS athlete runs a 4.3 forty !! If that deer is as fast as little Johnny it was alive ~ 8 seconds in that 100 yards!!
I think your bullet/broadhead is working as should!!! If not get a dog as has been suggested or one of the soft shooting .338s with a brake An recoil pad and mouthgard for your fillings!!!
I think your bullet/broadhead is working as should!!! If not get a dog as has been suggested or one of the soft shooting .338s with a brake An recoil pad and mouthgard for your fillings!!!
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:59 am to AlxTgr
The amount of people who cant admit that their pet .243 sucks for shooting deer is astounding.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:14 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:This is just stupid.
.243 sucks for shooting deer
Hands down best caliber
Perhaps the best
Top of the heap
Perfect for deer hunting
Basically, this is you:
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As hunters and riflemen, we might want to reassess some of our assumptions, because they’re probably based on hearsay, tradition, superstition, folklore, or myth. Put simply, we’ve heard it so many times that we believe it. And repeat it.
Effective deer cartridge.
Ideal deer cartridge and ranked 4.
One of the best for women and kids.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:29 am to AlxTgr
With quality bullets, bullet placement is far more important than caliber. I don’t want a .243, but wouldn’t feel handicapped using one in the deer woods.
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