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re: Best rifle/caliber combo with little to no recoil
Posted on 11/5/18 at 11:35 am to go ta hell ole miss
Posted on 11/5/18 at 11:35 am to go ta hell ole miss
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.243 is a great rifle if you put good glass on it and make a good shot.
What glass under $500 would you put on a bolt action Savage .243?
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Posted on 11/5/18 at 1:32 pm to baldona
Why not? Ive seen very small kids shoot youth 7mm-08s many many times with regular off the shelf ammo. Again, the difference in recoil between the 7mm08 and .243 is negligible. The difference in terminal performance is not. Buying a .243 for a kid is foolish.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 1:33 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:the best thing one could ever do.
Buying a .243 for a kid is
Posted on 11/5/18 at 1:44 pm to AlxTgr
If you enjoy watching my dog try to find your kids deer
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:01 pm to deeprig9
.243 hands down! Widely available in any kinda rifle 100 grain bullets are perfect. FFS I'm 27 I was given a savage model 110 in .243 when I was ten and have never used another rifle. Haven't needed too either.
Its a super accurate caliber for the price and can shoot most any mainstream ammo with equal accuracy. Very little recoil! It's minimal at best and helps with a young trigger flinch kid.
Be sure to put some good glass on it though that is in my opinion the most important thing.
Rig a good glass for under $500 would be either a Vortex Viper 4-12x40 PA or a Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40! Love the quality of the glass and it is a rock solid built scope. Lifetime warranty and its transferable!!!
Its a super accurate caliber for the price and can shoot most any mainstream ammo with equal accuracy. Very little recoil! It's minimal at best and helps with a young trigger flinch kid.
Be sure to put some good glass on it though that is in my opinion the most important thing.
Rig a good glass for under $500 would be either a Vortex Viper 4-12x40 PA or a Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40! Love the quality of the glass and it is a rock solid built scope. Lifetime warranty and its transferable!!!
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:06 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Why not? Ive seen very small kids shoot youth 7mm-08s many many times with regular off the shelf ammo. Again, the difference in recoil between the 7mm08 and .243 is negligible. The difference in terminal performance is not. Buying a .243 for a kid is foolish.
If by difference you mean in your opinion I won't argue, but if you mean the difference is negligible scientifically then you are simply wrong I'm sorry.
I honestly don't understand where your 7-08 becomes the magical deer killer that anything smaller can't do? I've seen plenty of deer with seemingly well placed shots get lossed, and I've seen plenty with well placed shots run forever. I won't argue this old and never ending discussion any more though.
Here's the science:
Chuck Hawks table
rifle weight Recoil Energy recoil velocity
7mm-08 Rem. (120 at 3000) 7.5 12.1 10.2
7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 8.0 12.6 10.1
7mm-08 Rem. (150 at 2750) 7.5 13.9 10.9
.243 Win. (75 at 3400) 8.5 7.2 7.4
.243 Win. (95 at 3100) 7.25 11.0 9.9
.243 Win. (100 at 2960) 7.5 8.8 8.7
You can find 65 grain .243 out there that should kick even less for practicing. Again, given the same rifle weight and powder a lighter bullet will recoil less. Its basic physics.
The difference between the lighter .243 loads and 7-08 is not neglible for a little kid, you are talking 30-50% more.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:09 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:This holding on to this made up bullshite eh?
If you enjoy watching my dog try to find your kids deer
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:15 pm to AlxTgr
Just stupid turns out whoever was shooting the .243 couldn't make a well placed shot!
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:21 pm to NCdawgfan34
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Rig a good glass for under $500 would be either a Vortex Viper 4-12x40 PA or a Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40! Love the quality of the glass and it is a rock solid built scope. Lifetime warranty and its transferable!!!
Thank you!
Now about the socialism.....
Posted on 11/5/18 at 2:57 pm to deeprig9
That is for another time and place. 
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:09 pm to Bleezy
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Narrowed it down to either .223 or 300 blackout or 22-250
hard pass...and .22-250 would be okay, but i would stick with .243 or larger and shoot reduced loads as stated in this thread. a .243 with reduced will be nearly nonexistent recoil
Posted on 11/5/18 at 3:53 pm to baldona
I math for a living. Basic math is 30% of 12 pounds of recoil is negligible.
The heaviest 7mm08 vs the lightest .243 (out of an 8.5 lb rifle
) still isnt a 50% increase and youre going from a prairie dog load in a heavy rifle to a marginal elk round in a rifle you can actually carry. Dont undergun your kid.
The heaviest 7mm08 vs the lightest .243 (out of an 8.5 lb rifle
) still isnt a 50% increase and youre going from a prairie dog load in a heavy rifle to a marginal elk round in a rifle you can actually carry. Dont undergun your kid. 
Posted on 11/5/18 at 4:12 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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If you enjoy watching my dog try to find your kids deer
The caliber does not matter. I shoot 270wsm and 90% of the deer I shoot run off. I have needed a dog for the last few and made great shots with no blood trail at all. I shoot Barnes 110gr TTSX clocked at over 3500fps. Shot a doe last year that ran 60yds with a complete pass through and no blood trail. The bullet kills them all the same and I have no problem calling for a dog.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 4:16 pm to saintsfan1977
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The caliber does not matter.
this has always been my thought. I still love hunting with my .243 and 6mm (killed my first deer as a kid with this one). Typically all of my shots are neck shots. The deer a had run the farthest was from my 7 mag with a lung shot.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 4:48 pm to saintsfan1977
Thats because you shoot light bullets hauling arse. I bet you dont get good reliable exits
Posted on 11/5/18 at 7:09 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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If you enjoy watching my dog try to find your kids deer
Some of my most memorable hunting experiences from when I was a child are tracking deer.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:10 pm to Bleezy
I don't mean to be piling on the .243, but it doesn't leave a blood trail at all. My son still shoots it and I cringe when the deer leaves the plot. He's shot em from 50-130 yards dead through the ten ring and no blood on any. Now, it's proven accurate and he's 100% with it so thats good.
When we put out clients we use experience, range performance, and most of all caliber. 243 and ballistic tip guys go to wide open flat ground. 270/7mm/30 cal solid lead guys go to the thickets/ridges. Just our experience, hope this helps.
When we put out clients we use experience, range performance, and most of all caliber. 243 and ballistic tip guys go to wide open flat ground. 270/7mm/30 cal solid lead guys go to the thickets/ridges. Just our experience, hope this helps.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 9:58 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Thats because you shoot light bullets hauling arse. I bet you dont get good reliable exits
I used to shoot 130gr Barnes and got complete pass through. Bullets were penciling through them. If you hit bones with a mono bullet, it will go straight through. The bullets don't break like lead. My deer might not bleed but that's why dogs have a good nose. Everyone that hunts has access to a dog or should.
I use Facebook for the groups and I'm in a blood tracking group that lists about 10 phone numbers for every Parish in the state.
This post was edited on 11/5/18 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:08 pm to reggo75
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I just want to give a little advice on many of the responses that we see in this thread concerning the 7mm-08 Hornady Low Recoil 120GR SST cartridge.
This bullet is designed for RAPID expansion upon entry and NOT pass through shooting. This bullet is absolutely lethal and will destroy the vital organs of a deer. In my experience with it (4 deer killed), you are very unlikely to get a pass through.
I'm curious whether you're using the 7-08 SST in a full power load or reduced recoil load?
Posted on 11/5/18 at 10:17 pm to Bleezy
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Thanks for the link to the recoil chart. That is useful.
It surely is. But be sure and compare the reduced recoil loads of the "bigger" rounds (e.g. 7-08) w/ the full power loads of the "smaller" rounds (e.g. 243 Win). You'll see the reduced recoil "bigger" rounds have less recoil than does the full power 243 Win load.
I don't recommend the 22 centerfires for deer hunting. BUT, if you feel you have to have a gun w/ negligible recoil, it'll have to be a 22-250 or 223 using bullets designed for deer hunting. Personally, I'd get a 7-08 or 308 Win (or 260 Rem/6.5 CM if reduced recoil loads are available) and use reduced recoil loads. The 7-08 and 308 give your child a lot of opportunity to grow into a more powerful gun w/ full power loads.
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