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re: Beneficial "Invasive" Species?
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:07 pm to WarCamEagle88
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:07 pm to WarCamEagle88
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I learned recently that wild turkeys are present in 49 states, but are only “native” to 37 states.
So are they in Alaska or Hawaii?
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I guess that’d count as invasive.
Not really. In order for something to be "invasive", it has to cause some harm. That could be be economic or ecological in nature.
So calling something a "beneficial invasive" is actually an oxymoron, because an invasive species--by definition--is detrimental to an ecosystem.
Now there are examples of nonnative species that are "beneficial" (depending who you ask). White clover, honey bees, salvinia weevils, bermuda grass, and ryegrass are all good examples. Coyotes are nonnative to the eastern US, but serve an important role in some ecosystems where other large carnivores no longer exist.
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:08 pm to Cowboyfan89
That's why I put Invasive in parentheses
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:02 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
rainbow trout
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:51 pm to CrawDude
Cattle Egrets.I can’t imagine how many grasshoppers there were before they came here.Love to watch them following a tractor cutting hay.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:51 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
I’m coming around to the idea of Chinese privet being at least not deserving how much I’ve cussed it. If it can be kept at ground level and not allowed to develop into midstory, it can provide deer with a lot of browse when everything else has died out.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 5:57 am to No Colors
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When Lewis and Clark explored out West, the rivers and lakes were basically void of fish. They described them as sterile. A few suckers is all they found to eat.
This is simply not true at all. L and C encountered numerous species of fish, mainly salmon and trout. They wrote extensively about the abundance of fish on the Columbia, especially around the Indian fishing villages at Celilo falls.
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The brown and rainbow trout that dominate out West now were all brought from Europe.
Not only are Rainbow trout native to the PNW, they are almost exclusively native. We've actually populated portions of Europe, Australia and Asia with our Rainbow trout, creating for them an invasive species with is hard to control. You are correct that our brown trout were in fact brought over from Europe in the 1,800's.
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 5:58 am
Posted on 5/13/25 at 8:47 am to Cowboyfan89
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So are they in Alaska or Hawaii?
Hawaii, so I’m told.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:11 am to No Colors
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here were a few native brook and cutthroat trout in super high elevations around Yellowstone.
The brown and rainbow trout that dominate out West now were all brought from Europe.
rainbow are native to the west.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:31 am to MobileJosh
Details of Lewis and Clark fishing
Looks like the only issue they had with fish is that they missed the salmon runs in the northwest due to timing of their travels.
Looks like the only issue they had with fish is that they missed the salmon runs in the northwest due to timing of their travels.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:47 am to bbvdd
Same for Cogon grass. You have to turn the soil over 18-24” to even think about getting rid of it.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:33 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
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This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 6:12 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
House finches
Posted on 5/14/25 at 11:20 am to SPAGHETTI PLATE
There's many of them. Check out Chef Philippe Parola's book "Cant beat 'em eat 'em."
Posted on 5/14/25 at 1:28 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Chinese Privet thickets, and more importantly the effects of the failure to manage privet (i.e. destruction of pine savannah/under story, increased thickets leading to high predation, loss of quality habitat including understory/insects/grasslands,etc) are the No. 1 cause of turkey and quail decline in SE Louisiana and my mind will not be changed.
I hate Privet with ever fiber of my being. And frankly, i think privet is actually a disservice to deer and browse in light of what was around before privet took over under every stand of pines over 15ft. (i.e. rolling grasses, briars/berry bushes, persimmons, etc).
Tl;Dr: Privet is the devil and IMO provides little to no beneficial effect to SE Louisiana compared to its negative effect.
I hate Privet with ever fiber of my being. And frankly, i think privet is actually a disservice to deer and browse in light of what was around before privet took over under every stand of pines over 15ft. (i.e. rolling grasses, briars/berry bushes, persimmons, etc).
Tl;Dr: Privet is the devil and IMO provides little to no beneficial effect to SE Louisiana compared to its negative effect.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 1:33 pm to WarCamEagle88
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Hawaii, so I’m told.
Hawaii has all kinds if “invasive” species… Mongoose is one
Posted on 5/14/25 at 1:36 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
Earthworms in New Zealand.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 1:38 pm to SPAGHETTI PLATE
I’ve seen a positive benefits of Limpkins that feed on apple snails (which are terrible)
Posted on 5/14/25 at 2:06 pm to dpier16
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hate Privet with ever fiber of my being. And frankly, i think privet is actually a disservice to deer and browse in light of what was around before privet took over under every stand of pines over 15ft. (i.e. rolling grasses, briars/berry bushes, persimmons, etc).
I don’t necessarily disagree and have waged a personal war against privet, but consider that one of the places where privet has been most successful is industrial pine plantations where the alternative is clean pine straw. Agree whole-heartedly it should be eradicated anywhere else.
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