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re: Worlds richest man donates $10B to... Climate Change

Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:41 pm to
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39240 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:41 pm to
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You really don't think that humans can change the climate?

Sure we can. We'll figure it out.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39240 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:43 pm to
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It's a proven fact that adding massive amounts of carbon dioxide and methane into the atmosphere can warm the globe.

Actually, this is NOT a proven fact. It's probably a fact, and it's a solid theory, but not proved.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39240 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:44 pm to
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There’s a consensus among the scientific community that humans play a major role in the climate change that is occurring now

This is also not true.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:46 pm to
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A consensus is the judgement arrived at by most of those concerned.


So then your poll is meaningless. I’m assuming you’ve heard the pigeon checkers analogy. That’s what you are doing.

You could have just stated from the beginning, “my facts come from a worthless poll that an overwhelming majority of scientists didn’t bother to answer”.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39240 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:48 pm to
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Re-forestation. Planting millions and millions more trees would be great for our planet.

Buddy, the extra CO2 we've been pumping into the atmosphere is doing this already. That's plant food, and the earth has been getting much greener due to the greenhouse gases.
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
9596 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:54 pm to
This is from pew research survey of AAAS scientists views (2015):
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:55 pm
Posted by SuddenJerk
Member since Oct 2017
728 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:55 pm to
So the dude that ships millions of cardboard boxes a day with millions of gasoline and oil using vehicles wants to fight climate change? Oh the irony!
Posted by ColdTurkey
Where the Buffalo roam...
Member since Nov 2019
7571 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:55 pm to
If he wants to do something to help the environment, maybe he should start by Amazon switching to hemp biodegradable plastic shipping material. Everybody wants to talk about global warming yet nobody gives a shite about the dump truck full of plastic waste we dump in the ocean every minute that goes by.
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:02 pm to
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So the dude that ships millions of cardboard boxes a day with millions of gasoline and oil using vehicles wants to fight climate change? Oh the irony!


This is a tax write off and PR stunt. Nothing more.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28051 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:14 pm to
lol

might as well of put the cash in a blender
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37491 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:21 pm to
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe he invests his funding into creating a solar cell that doesn’t use rare earth metals and therefore bypasses the Corona infected chicoms.

Maybe they invent an economically feasible way to grow, but more importantly harvest the lipids present in bacteria for a truly green biofuel.

Maybe they can do any number of things. I’m all for funding research of all kinds to reduce pollution whether that be atmospheric or aqueous. Just don’t tell me it’s my fault when the Indians and Chinese are classified as emerging markets and pollute far worse than the US
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 4:22 pm
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10563 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:22 pm to
I remember a saying my grandfather used to say when I’d find myself in a tight spot of my own doing...

“Boy, you fighting air.”

Little did Paw know, this would become an actual thing people gave money to.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30090 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:26 pm to
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No problem with the man putting up his own money to gain emissions efficiencies. Curious how it will specifically be used.


It will be used to buy off politicians to tax citizens, while maintaining sweetheart deals for Amazon.
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13969 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:27 pm to
10 billion buys a lot of trees.
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
4221 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:30 pm to
How much of the 10 bil will end up in the democrat coffers
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50342 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:30 pm to
The only thing being wasted in this thread is the effort by both sides thinking they can convince the other on a message board that they are right.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30189 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:41 pm to
It's his money, so whatever.

But I feel like there are many other things that $10 billion would have been better suited for than climate change.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10918 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 4:50 pm to
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You really don't think that humans can change the climate?


We can pollute rivers and streams, oceans, lakes, and land. We see it all the time.

But when it comes to air, the megatons of shite spewed out every day just magically disappears and has no impact whatsoever.

Haven't you visited the poli board on this topic?
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 4:51 pm
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16561 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 5:47 pm to
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A billion trees might help


This was covered in another thread; the number of mature, peak-carbon-capturing trees needed to offset just the average annual human population growth was about the size of RI. Hundreds of billions would have to be planted every year, for a decade, just to offset the humans born this year.


The dismal failure of public education and understanding of the carbon cycle is always brought into stark contrast in these threads.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37491 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 5:50 pm to
Here’s the funny thing about air, it mixes dramatically easier than even water does. If you were to look at the amount of CO2 we are pumping into the atmosphere and compare it to total
Atmosphere, it’s minuscule. If you look at the oceans, it’s very small pockets relatively speaking.

Now compile the fact that we are talking CO2, something all Photosynthetic beings utilize for growth, and it’s negative impacts are in fact up for debate.

If you want to talk methane, sulfur dioxide, NOx species, and a hand full of others let’s talk and you and I will actually agree on their dangers and need for purification prior to discharge.

I’m also all ears about stoping water pollution as, as I stated earlier, diffuses far less in terms of a global perspective. But don’t tell me to try and stop the economic engine that has raised more out of poverty and improved the lives for literal BILLIONS because of CO2 and something every prediction has gotten wrong since the 70’s
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