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re: Worlds richest man donates $10B to... Climate Change
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:10 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:10 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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That’s a whole lot of qualifications for a question. Almost like they are casting a wide net
How? What do you not understand about most, recent and near
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:14 pm
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:13 pm to agregime1
All that tells me is that he believes he’ll benefit by much more than 10 billion due the climate change hysteria.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:16 pm to crewdepoo
Because they lumped both past and future changes in the climate together. Some may believe if it changes in the future but nothing to this point was caused by man or vice versa but that questions lumps it all together with all recent past and future change is man made.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:17 pm to SelaTiger
Win win.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:18 pm to crewdepoo
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So 83.5% are convinced to a large extent or very much convinced that cc is due to anthropogenic causes. Some would say that’s consensus.
Nice try. Actually, of the 18% that actually took the survey, only 2 questions were asked about AGW. And of those 2 questions, the responses were...
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Question 20, "How convinced are you that climate change, whether natural or anthropogenic, is occurring now?" Answers: 67.1% very much convinced (7), 26.7% to some large extent (5–6), 6.2% said to some small extent (2–4), none said not at all. Question 21, "How convinced are you that most of recent or near future climate change is, or will be, a result of anthropogenic causes?" Answers: 34.6% very much convinced (7), 48.9% being convinced to a large extent (5–6), 15.1% to a small extent (2–4), and 1.35% not convinced at all (1).
So if you want to use this survey as a slam dunk, then feel free to strut around thinking you won something.
Personally, i would think anyone using bray and von storch's results as conclusive to anything is someone just looking for a win, no matter how marginal or how erroneous that win may be.
FTR, Bray and Von Storch did not conduct the 97% survey. I posted the results to that one, too. That particular survey, 67% of surveyed scientists took no position. Of the remaining 3900 scientists that did, only 73% endorsed the idea that AGW had SOME affect on climate. This does not a consensus, make.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:19 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Some may believe if it changes in the future b
It said near future.
Another question from same survey:
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:20 pm to crewdepoo
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Another question from same survey:
41% of the 18% that took the survey (153 total scientists)? Where do i send the check?
ETA: Which of the 3 surveys are you pulling this from?
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:22 pm to BugAC
quote:why would you count the people who didn’t agree to take the survey in the numbers? The 83.5 is based on climate scientists who they polled.
Nice try. Actually, of the 18% that actually took the survey, only 2 questions were asked about AGW. And of those 2 questions, the responses were...
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:24 pm to crewdepoo
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why would you count the people who didn’t agree to take the survey in the numbers?
Because when you are stating "consensus of all climate scientists" but only 18% of the climate scientists you reached out to, are taking your survey, you don't have a consensus.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:24 pm to crewdepoo
Of which 82% didn’t answer. Is it possible that the only people that answered had a bias? Maybe the people that didn’t answer were even MORE believing in MMCC. All I know is it’s hard to claim a consensus when 80+% of the people didn’t respond.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:27 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Gonna make a lot of non profiteers wealthy giving grants to their activist groups.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:30 pm to BugAC
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Because when you are stating "consensus of all climate scientists" but only 18% of the climate scientists you reached out to, are taking your survey, you don't have a consensus.
It’s a poll. There’s been multiple polls and they all have they number between 70-97. Do you know how polls work?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:31 pm to crewdepoo
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It’s a poll. There’s been multiple polls and they all have they number between 70-97. Do you know how polls work?
Wait, i thought it was consensus? Are we moving away from that now?
Member?
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There’s a consensus among the scientific community that humans play a major role in the climate change that is occurring now.
FWIW, it's ok to say "i was mistaken".
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:35 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Is it possible that the only people that answered had a bias?
Of course it is possible. It’s also possible that the only people who didn’t answer had a bias.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:36 pm to BugAC
This is all from bray and Von storch
Edit: 2013 survey
Edit: 2013 survey
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:37 pm to crewdepoo
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This is all from bray and Von storch
Yes, and they've conducted multiple surveys. If it's the 2003 survey, then you can throw it out completely.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:38 pm to bad93ex
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I am fairly certain this won't come out of his own pocket but will be created as another tax break for Amazon.
Well, no shite. Of course he'll get tax breaks. Everyone who gives a substantial amount to charity gets tax deductions. But it still comes out his pocket, and especially in Bezos' case, because he is notorious for having a low tax rate. In case you don't know how it works, if Bezos' tax rate is 40%, and he donates $100, he'll save $40 in taxes. But net he'll be down $60.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:39 pm to BugAC
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Wait, i thought it was consensus? Are we moving away from that now? Member?
A consensus is the judgement arrived at by most of those concerned.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:40 pm to geauxtigers456
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People still deny climate change?
People still think global warming is imminent, catastrophic and man made? Wowser!
Posted on 2/17/20 at 3:40 pm to Penrod
We only have 11 years left.
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