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re: Will the ‘butts in seats’ mentality ever die?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:34 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:34 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Do you not own a smartphone?
If you're in the office, there's only so many places you can be if you're not sitting at your desk. If you're not in your office and not answering your phone/messages, I have no clue where you are.
This comes up quite often with the remote workers at my office
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:35 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Then set it for 7, get your arse to work on time or find another job.
You retarded? I've said about a half dozen times I don't have a "clock in" time.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:36 am to baldona
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And for every method to monitor productivity there are methods for employees to embellish them
We track our time with client and job lists. All time is accounted for and allocated to a job name or task with pertinent notes. Each job has a determined time cost and it is reviewed often to shift those numbers if needed.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:36 am to BulldogXero
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If you're not in your office and not answering your phone/messages, I have no clue where you are.
This comes up quite often with the remote workers at my office
Sounds like you need better employees. Those same people wouldn't be doing shite if they were sitting in their desk either.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:37 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I’m so glad my boss doesn’t care what time I come in to work
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:38 am to Monday
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We track our time with client and job lists. All time is accounted for and allocated to a job name or task with pertinent notes. Each job has a determined time cost and it is reviewed often to shift those numbers if needed.
The people in management or professional services is quite clear in this thread.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:39 am to Mingo Was His NameO
It's amazing what some people will do at work to avoid doing actual work. If you have employees who are held accountable for what they do it makes it a hell of a lot easier.
ETA: Meaning that they are responsible for their own work and know what needs to be done and when
ETA: Meaning that they are responsible for their own work and know what needs to be done and when
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 10:40 am
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:39 am to Monday
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I can say that I can be more productive in a shorter amount of time than someone who is stuck at their desks 9-5 because I don't have to fill down time. The trade off is that I sometimes have to work from home.
While I agree this can be better, you have to also realize that not everyone wants calls at home or at the ball game or whatever. People have gotten way to lax on work hours. The idea that clients should be calling at 9pm for anything other than an emergency is generally absurd
For every person that wants to be "on call" 7 days a week so they can have more lax work hours M-F there's multiple that would prefer set work times and set firm time off.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:40 am to Monday
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It's amazing what some people will do at work to avoid doing actual work. If you have employees who are held accountable for what they do it makes it a hell of a lot easier.
You realize you can do this with more set work times also right?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:41 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You retarded? I've said about a half dozen times I don't have a "clock in" time.
Then what the frick are you arguing about? If the OPs work requires him to be on time, then be on time or face the consequences. It's as simple as that.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:42 am to baldona
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For every person that wants to be "on call" 7 days a week so they can have more lax work hours M-F there's multiple that would prefer set work times and set firm time off.
I totally agree with that. To clarify, unless I'm home during the workday hours, my "after hours" work totals less than 10 hours a month. I'm not missing anything important for work unless it's life or death. Our boss also says that we are not required to respond after hours unless it is an emergency. I normally do only because it's usually small things or a quick phone call.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:43 am to Saint Alfonzo
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If the OPs work requires him to be on time, then be on time or face the consequences. It's as simple as that.
Or maybe all the employees leave for a better environment because of micro management and the company incurs high on boarding and training costs for worse employees because of the historically tight job market.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:45 am to Monday
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I totally agree with that. To clarify, unless I'm home during the workday hours, my "after hours" work totals less than 10 hours a month. I'm not missing anything important for work unless it's life or death. Our boss also says that we are not required to respond after hours unless it is an emergency. I normally do only because it's usually small things or a quick phone call
Outside business is conducted during business hours. After hours home work is for administrative type work or client work that can be done at any time. If I get an email at 930 my time from a client in Seattle I'm not responding to them that night 99% of the time.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:46 am to PortHudsonPlaya
As the first response said..he is probably there to tighten ship and clean house.
Better get your shite together.
Better get your shite together.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:46 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Sounds like you need better employees. Those same people wouldn't be doing shite if they were sitting in their desk either.
My point is that you can't just say "smartphone" with respect to needing to contact an employee who is not in the office.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:47 am to baldona
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You realize you can do this with more set work times also right?
I'm not trying to fight you on the benefits of set hours for employees.
Our company works efficiently without having desk drones. Some companies and management don't do that and it's ok! The last company that I worked for where people clocked in and out on a rigid schedule was filled with quite a few people who did more clock watching than work. It's purely anecdotal for me. I'm just giving another pov.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:48 am to baldona
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As a supervisor, there's actually a huge value in being able to estimate how much work someone is able to do in a standard work week because they are there for set hours.
If johnny is given 6 tasks and he is working OT and Lucy has 5 tasks and she leaves early every day, then the supevisor knows about how much work can be completed.
Set deadlines. Enforce them.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:49 am to BulldogXero
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My point is that you can't just say "smartphone" with respect to needing to contact an employee who is not in the office.
To be fair, if I had an employee who was given a lot of rope for their office time, they must be available to me if I need them during "business hours". Employees who are egregiously unavailable normally don't stick around too long.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:50 am to BulldogXero
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My point is that you can't just say "smartphone" with respect to needing to contact an employee who is not in the office.
Well, of course, you have to have employees that actually work. That's true regardless of the setting.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:52 am to LSUFanHouston
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Set deadlines. Enforce them.
Obviously. But technology is constantly changing and projects invariably are never the exact same. I'm simply saying that with extremely flexible work hours, it can be very easy for one person to work 35 hours a week and another to work 50 and them appear to be completing the same amount of work.
I certainly agree the difference between working something like 41 hours and 43 hours doesn't matter. But that's not what we are talking about here.
ETA: There's a huge difference between forcing someone to punch in and out from 8-5, and allowing people to come in anytime before the 10am meeting and leave when they have nothing else to do that day.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 10:54 am
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