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re: Will the ‘butts in seats’ mentality ever die?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:53 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:53 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Or maybe all the employees leave for a better environment because of micro management and the company incurs high on boarding and training costs for worse employees because of the historically tight job market.
All of them? Seems like if one problematic, freeloading employee who can't be punctual and is a burden to his coworkers and the company voluntary leaves, it's a net positive. No litigation when the no-load sues for discrimination or wrongful termination. Replace him with an ambitious, younger go-getter at a lower cost. Problem solved.
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:55 am to PortHudsonPlaya
There are jobs in which people are allowed to come in a couple hours late because “they didn’t sleep well”?? Maybe I should reconsider my current job of a plant baw
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:56 am to Saint Alfonzo
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All of them? Seems like if one problematic, freeloading employee who can't be punctual and is a burden to his coworkers and the company voluntary leaves, it's a net positive. No litigation when the no-load sues for discrimination or wrongful termination. Replace him with an ambitious, younger go-getter at a lower cost. Problem solved
The people with no motivation that don't do shite and are there to collect a paycheck arent going to be the ones leaving. The ones that are motivated and realize they are being undervalued will.
You're point is totally non sequitur and frankly makes no sense in the context of the conversation
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 10:58 am
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:56 am to cfish140
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There are jobs in which people are allowed to come in a couple hours late because “they didn’t sleep well”?? Maybe I should reconsider my current job of a plant baw
I don't really have set hours at all although I usually come in around 7.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:58 am to PortHudsonPlaya
If you're getting paid to be there.... Be there...
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:58 am to PortHudsonPlaya
OP makes a good point that it’s better to get your sleep than show up zombie style at 6am.
Just need to get prior approval in case you ever need to do that. Also email someone at 3am that you haven’t been able to sleep and may be late tomorrow.
Just need to get prior approval in case you ever need to do that. Also email someone at 3am that you haven’t been able to sleep and may be late tomorrow.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:58 am to cfish140
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There are jobs in which people are allowed to come in a couple hours late because “they didn’t sleep well”?? Maybe I should reconsider my current job of a plant baw
As stated earlier in this thread, there are professionals who are not plant baws and don't have to play by the same rules of badging in and out of the gate. Why don't you put that experience and degree to use and start a business where you can make your own rules?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:01 am to JDPndahizzy
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If you're getting paid to be there.... Be there...
You aren't being paid to be there. You are being paid to complete tasks, whatever they may be.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:03 am to baldona
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I'm simply saying that with extremely flexible work hours, it can be very easy for one person to work 35 hours a week and another to work 50 and them appear to be completing the same amount of work.
Who cares? If they are completing their work, why does it matter how many hours one put in compared to the other?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:07 am to NOFOX
quote:because maybe the company needs to re-evaluate its efficiency. If everyone is regularly leaving early or showing up late, but the tasks are still getting done, then maybe you have too many employees.
are completing their work, why does it matter how many hours one put in compared to the other?
I say that as someone who has flexible hours. I'm always nervous when I realize I'm completing all my work by 2 every day. Not so much nervous for me losing my job, but when they lay off and I have to pick up others accounts.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 11:09 am
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:11 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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The people with no motivation that don't do shite and are there to collect a paycheck arent going to be the ones leaving. The ones that are motivated and realize they are being undervalued will. You're point is totally non sequitur and frankly makes no sense in the context of the conversation
It's not a non-sequitur in any way. It's human resources 101. Voluntary vs. involuntary turnover. The boss has taken notice of his failure to be on time. I guarantee it's being documented to establish a paper trail. So when the time comes to terminate him for poor performance and failure to meet minimum requirements, all their ducks are in row and he can be let go for cause. Don't over-value your importance to the company, you can be replaced.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:14 am to Saint Alfonzo
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It's not a non-sequitur in any way. It's human resources 101. Voluntary vs. involuntary turnover. The boss has taken notice of his failure to be on time. I guarantee it's being documented to establish a paper trail. So when the time comes to terminate him for poor performance and failure to meet minimum requirements, all their ducks are in row and he can be let go for cause. Don't over-value your importance to the company, you can be replaced.
You're now completely moving the goal post from the genesis of the conversation
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:14 am to Jon A thon
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because maybe the company needs to re-evaluate its efficiency. If everyone is regularly leaving early or showing up late, but the tasks are still getting done, then maybe you have too many employees.
Maybe so, but that would seem more evident by a flexible schedule as opposed to set office hours.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:15 am to NOFOX
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Maybe so, but that would seem more evident by a flexible schedule as opposed to set office hours.
I love when people counter point their point in the same post
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:19 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You're now completely moving the goal post from the genesis of the conversation
Not at all. The OP has a problem with punctuality. The boss brought it to his attention in a friendly manner to give him an opportunity to correct the deficiency. He's treating it like it's his supervisor's problem and not his own. That's a mistake that will boomerang on him.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:19 am to baldona
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Obviously. But technology is constantly changing and projects invariably are never the exact same. I'm simply saying that with extremely flexible work hours, it can be very easy for one person to work 35 hours a week and another to work 50 and them appear to be completing the same amount of work.
Appear to complete, or actually complete? If it's appear, you need to find a better way to monitor. if it's actual, then clearly the 35 hr a week employee is more valuable, and should be treated as such. And the 50 hour employee may need additional training, or maybe isn't the right person for the job.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:20 am to Mingo Was His NameO
I think this thread is the battle between people who are stuck at a desk all day and people who are not. I'm not sure I could ever go back to a 9-5 brick and mortar job. It's great for people who need that structure, but it's not for me.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:21 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Not at all. The OP has a problem with punctuality. The boss brought it to his attention in a friendly manner to give him an opportunity to correct the deficiency. He's treating it like it's his supervisor's problem and not his own. That's a mistake that will boomerang on him
Either you can't read or you realize you've dug yourself in a hole you can't escape from.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:23 am to cfish140
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There are jobs in which people are allowed to come in a couple hours late because “they didn’t sleep well”?? Maybe I should reconsider my current job of a plant baw
Uh, yes.
Most of the IT people I know have the option to work from home and work flexible hours because when they have a breech to fix, it typically doesn’t occur during a typical 9 to 5 timeframe. Or they have maintenance calls in the evening. And they usually have an on call rotation every few weeks. I’m sure other industries work the same.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 11:24 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Either you can't read or you realize you've dug yourself in a hole you can't escape from.
STFU and get back to your desk. And make sure you bring donuts for everyone the next time you're late or you're fired.
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