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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:45 pm to bayoubengals88
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I’m very much a Carl Trueman type of Protestant
Have you read any of Scott Hahn’s books?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:46 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:extreme sarcasm.
What point are you trying to make?
Dead saints live on and we are in communion with them. It’s biblical if you’re willing to read critically.
Not all Truth simply jumps off the page.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:46 pm to LSUMANINVA
quote:No, that would be a bridge too far
Have you read any of Scott Hahn’s books?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:47 pm to LSUMANINVA
I was given one of those pampletts recently,, what are yall up to?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:49 pm to Quatre Pot
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Catholicism is the Church created by Christ himself. The folly of man (on both sides) has led to the splintering of His church. It’s an abomination to be sure
The New Church founded by Christ is the universal church free from any one organization or blood line or people. That’s what the new covenant in Jesus and New Temple is.
If God wanted a single organized religion to be important don’t you think he’d have chosen a Pharisee or religious leader as his first, most trusted, and most talked to Apostle? But he didn’t. Don’t you think he would’ve praised their traditions and left instructions for organization and hierarchy? But he didn’t. He was, however, constantly critical of the organized religious leaders of the time and then they killed him.
He chose a random poor fisherman and then a few other random people seemingly without any religious training or organizational background and then sent them out to the world to call all people to him using very simple and uncomplicated instructions and stories.
Faith as small as a mustard seed and you can move mountains. It is not what enters a man that defiles him but what comes from his heart and exits his mouth. Woe to you who choose man’s traditions over God’s laws. Wherever two or more are gathered in my name I am there. Go in your room and pray in secret. Be wary of the scribes.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:50 pm to gobuxgo5
quote:You’ve listed a couple of instances where the two disagree over the meaning of the term or phrase.
I've actually explained the main differences in Protestants vs Catholics pretty accurately.
It always comes down to authority and the consensus of the Fathers on that same issue. Or, whether there was a consensus or not.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:50 pm to bayoubengals88
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No, that would be a bridge too far
Seriously? Why? Are you afraid of having to become a Catholic? He was instrumental in my conversion, so your fear may be rational.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:52 pm to OWLFAN86
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what are yall up to?
Nothing much. Just hanging out.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:53 pm to Quatre Pot
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Catholicism is the Church created by Christ himself.
Says the Catholic.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:53 pm to Breesus
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If God wanted a single organized religion to be important don’t you think he’d have chosen a Pharisee or religious leader as his first, most trusted, and most talked to Apostle? But he didn’t. Don’t you think he would’ve praised their traditions and left instructions for organization and hierarchy? But he didn’t.
You understate the power of binding and loosing given to the disciples to your detriment.
We weren’t meant to be so divided.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:57 pm to gobuxgo5
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Yes, but you also believe Mary is Jesus 2.0. She lives a sinless life, born without original sin, ascended to heaven. Just like Jesus... funny God sent his Son to showcase what is needed for us to be Saved as we cannot live a sinless life yet, his human mother could pull it off? No scripture to back that up.
Not here to argue, and I certainly hope that some one who is apparently as Christian as you would refrain from judgement of your fellow Christian’s…at least that’s what the Bible says. Right?
So I would like to set some things straight as you seem to be telling a lot of people what Catholics believe, when it doesn’t seem as if you are catholic.
1. Catholics do not believe the pope is infallible. As a matter of fact we believe that he is fallible and only speaks for God when speaking in the official designation of speaking from the chair is St. Peter. The rock on which the Christian church was built.
2. We don’t worship statues or Mary. We pray with Mary and ask for her to carry our prayers to Jesus. Much like we’d ask a friend for help. Specifically, however, we don’t worship.
3. We don’t pray to the dead. We pray for “saints” to carry messages much like we do Mary. And as I’m sure you know “saints” are mentioned over 60 times in the New Testament.
4. Catholics do in fact cover the Bible, it’s at least 4 readings in very mass. That means roughly every 2-3 years we cover the whole thing.
We probably agree that the Catholic Church isn’t perfect…I’m yet to see the church that is…they’re all made of people, who by definition are fallible. I do hope this helps your understanding of Catholicism a little better as the posts I’ve read seem to harbor some animosity toward brethren (I hope I’m misreading and sorry if I did). I trust your relationship with God is good and may you have a blessed day.
Ps. If your like to listen to these thoughts in more detail, I’d suggest “The Lamb’s Supper” by Scott Hahn. BTW, as I don’t have the time to endlessly debate this on the internet I’ll be signing out, so a response isn’t necessary.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:58 pm to cbree88
Those labels (catholic, baptist, methodist, etc) are going to burn off on the way down or fly off on the way up.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:58 pm to cbree88
Anyone in today's world that's complaining about other Christian's is a fricking idiot. Muslims are invading your country and satanic idols are displayed in our government buildings.
But yeah let's bicker about dumb shite like who believes in Jesus "the right way"
But yeah let's bicker about dumb shite like who believes in Jesus "the right way"
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:59 pm to LSUMANINVA
quote:Mostly joking. I don’t have the capacity for that much serious reading and consideration at the moment. Abd if I were to convert, which I’m not, I’d lean toward Orthodoxy.
Are you afraid of having to become a Catholic? He was instrumental in my conversion, so your fear may be rational.
But, I’m happily and historically Presbyterian.
In essentials, unity
In non essentials, liberty
In all things, charity
I think that most Catholics and Protestants put too many things in the essentials category.
As I get older, my list of essentials gets smaller. It’s a good life
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:00 pm to tigafan4life
Catholics are taught not to read the Bible. I've had Catholics tell me flat out people should not read the Bible as it's too easy to misinterpret and thus the priest should interpret it for them.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:01 pm to bayoubengals88
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You understate the power of binding and loosing given to the disciples to your detriment.
I don’t think I underestimate that at all.
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We weren’t meant to be so divided.
we’ve literally been divided since the second generation of mankind
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:01 pm to Breesus
It is clear in Scripture that Christians are called to worship the one true God (Matthew 4:9-10, Mark 5:6, Luke 4:8, John 4:23).
Jesus, prior to His ascension, established a New Covenant church and granted that church with infallibility and indefectability by stating He would always be with this Church, and the gates of Hell would never prevail against it (Matthew 16:18-19). This means this church has either continually existed since 33AD, or Jesus is a liar.
This church is also visible, hierarchical, and authoritative (Matthew 18:15-18).
It is clear in scripture that this new covenant community was expected to come together in corporate worship (Hebrews 10:25). This verse shows there were Christians who did not think it was necessary to gather for worship. This contradicts the idea that one can be a church unto himself as long as he has accepted Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior. The Lord intended His Church to be a community.
It’s also clear from scripture that Jesus did not intend Christians to live out their spiritual lives in a vacuum. He founded a Church, gave it authority in the areas of faith and morals, and guards it from teaching error (Matt. 18:17-18).
Paul even goes so far as to damn denominationalism in Ephesians 4.
Jesus, prior to His ascension, established a New Covenant church and granted that church with infallibility and indefectability by stating He would always be with this Church, and the gates of Hell would never prevail against it (Matthew 16:18-19). This means this church has either continually existed since 33AD, or Jesus is a liar.
This church is also visible, hierarchical, and authoritative (Matthew 18:15-18).
It is clear in scripture that this new covenant community was expected to come together in corporate worship (Hebrews 10:25). This verse shows there were Christians who did not think it was necessary to gather for worship. This contradicts the idea that one can be a church unto himself as long as he has accepted Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior. The Lord intended His Church to be a community.
It’s also clear from scripture that Jesus did not intend Christians to live out their spiritual lives in a vacuum. He founded a Church, gave it authority in the areas of faith and morals, and guards it from teaching error (Matt. 18:17-18).
Paul even goes so far as to damn denominationalism in Ephesians 4.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:03 pm to LafTiger
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1. Catholics do not believe the pope is infallible. As a matter of fact we believe that he is fallible and only speaks for God when speaking in the official designation of speaking from the chair is St. Peter. The rock on which the Christian church was built.
2. We don’t worship statues or Mary. We pray with Mary and ask for her to carry our prayers to Jesus. Much like we’d ask a friend for help. Specifically, however, we don’t worship.
3. We don’t pray to the dead. We pray for “saints” to carry messages much like we do Mary. And as I’m sure you know “saints” are mentioned over 60 times in the New Testament.
4. Catholics do in fact cover the Bible, it’s at least 4 readings in very mass. That means roughly every 2-3 years we cover the whole thing.
1. I was told that Jesus telling Peter that he is the rock and what is bound and loosened, etc was precedent for infallibility. If that isn't the norm I am surprised to not hear that more with all of the hours of debate i've watched recently from great Catholics like Trent Horn.
2. We don't pray to anyone but Jesus. I don't think this practice is devious just odd. Just because she convinced Jesus to turn water into wine at a wedding alive, isnt a precent of praying to someone dead to speak to Jesus.
3. Same idea. We now pray to Jesus.
4. Yes. I argue for Catholics all the time. I am usually the one taking the devils adovate to my friends and family defending your take on this. I think that not only do you go over all of scripture, at face value, not sure how many revelation scriptures I've heard my catholic wife say shes listened to but I'll take your word.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:04 pm to cbree88
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not very smart
At least you’re in your wheelhouse here.
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